tagstart <DarthPain> Lions eat gnus
<IwannabeMaraJade> heya San!!
<Maglarken> t minus 30 seconds, all sysytems go
<Maddix_DOhm> I'm fairly happ
<BigSteve03> its time!
<Maddix_DOhm> happy
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Maddix..you are messanger slut ot night..right?
<BigSteve03> NOW!
<IwannabeMaraJade> yes blur, insane is the word
<San-Holo> I've been here a while Mara
<Maddix_DOhm> Although you can never have JUST one
<KStarfire> grins, the boards are much easier to keep up with :)
<BigSteve03> as usual
<IwannabeMaraJade> sorry San, too many names
<Mary> easy easy im getting lag
<DarthMalignant> The boards scare me =O
<Ewoky> roar
<IwannabeMaraJade> hi Mary
<KDT> YOUR going to need these then with RG with you
<KStarfire> lol
<B0XMAN> .... okay
<Maglarken> t minus 10
<San-Holo> Yeah I know, its crazy
<DarthMalignant> You Gen forum people are all wacky.
<Maglarken> 9
<Mary> yo MJ
<Maglarken> 8
<Zorak790> yes we are
<Maglarken> 7
<blur> 7
<Maglarken> 6
<KStarfire> im not Gen ;)
<blur> 6
<Maglarken> 5
<KStarfire> im Dev ;)
<B0XMAN> 5
<blur> 5
<B0XMAN> 4
<OskarTheHutt> HEy!
<B0XMAN> 3
<IwannabeMaraJade> so raise your hand if your TCO
<B0XMAN> 2
<Maglarken> 4
<blur> 4
<B0XMAN> 1
<LordValadon> moo
<Maglarken> 3
<Maddix_DOhm> Three sir
<LordValadon> 21
<blur> 0
<Maglarken> 2
<LordValadon> 1
<OskarTheHutt> did BMCC satrt?
<LordValadon> 0
<B0XMAN> ooo
<Zorak790> zorak pulls a chair up for Ditka
<Maglarken> 1
<Maddix_DOhm> 5
<LordValadon> -1
<roguegirl> potato?
<Maglarken> 0
<B0XMAN> the lickin
<IwannabeMaraJade> not yet
<Maglarken> START
<DarthMalignant> Good ol' Dev Boards.
<Maglarken> START
<LordValadon> -2
<Ewoky> lol
<LordValadon> -3
<IwannabeMaraJade> stop spamming
<LordValadon> -4
<KStarfire> yup...
<LordValadon> -5
<LordValadon> lol
<KStarfire> the life blood :)
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Rogue I'm making a psych test right now..want to take it for my class...hehe
<Raithan> ACK
<IwannabeMaraJade> STOP SPAMMING
<Maglarken> +5
<DarthMalignant> Except they all hate me there now.
<Maglarken> +6
<Maglarken> +7
<B0XMAN> http://www.sparklet.com/~royce/trams/reminder.jpg
<San-Holo> EVERYONE STOP TALKING I CAN'T READ THIS FAST!!
<KStarfire> whys that DM
<LordValadon> lol
<DarthMalignant> I've disagreed with most people at least once, lol.
<B0XMAN> there ya go BS03
<B0XMAN> http://www.sparklet.com/~royce/trams/reminder.jpg
<blur> TH :D
<KStarfire> nothing wrong with disagreeing :)
<IwannabeMaraJade> heya TH!
<TearForger> whopeeee
<DarthMalignant> Thunderheart!
<LordValadon> better learn how to speedread
<Manatour> I've tried to ignore BOXMAN 3 times now...
<BigSteve03> sorr I don't click on links in here
<Thunderheart> *BOOM*
<Ewoky> brb
<ReftKlarr> Heya TH
<Raithan> You are trying to read all this, I gave up a long time ago
<KStarfire> hey TH *salute* ;)
<LordValadon> http://www.kotorpa.com/thisaintright.jpg
<DarthPain> who's TH?
<Thunderheart> *hugs mara!*
<AvalonKiyet> lol
<Mary> ah nooo not th
<blur> thunderheart
<Ewoky> bye all
<AvalonKiyet> did we put it on val?
<Thunderheart> Clicks heels to KStarfire*
<Raithan> Cya Ewoky
<BigSteve03> -2 minutes!
<LordValadon> http:/kotorjedi.tripod.com/thisaintright.jpg
<DarthPain> who's Thunderheart?
<KStarfire> TH = THunderheart
<Manatour> shame
<Thunderheart> yer funny DP
<DarthMalignant> I was working on a scathing response to one of your posts.
<blur> thunderheart, loyalest of the loyal in TCO
<Maglarken> START
<DarthPain> :D.
<AvalonKiyet> www.rpgplanet.com/starwars/pics/thisaintright.jpg
<DarthMalignant> Then I forgot.
<IwannabeMaraJade> thanks mega
<Zorak790> *zorak starts singing the smurfs theme song to pass the time
<KStarfire> heh
<Manatour> your spam makes my eyes hurt
<LordValadon> http://kotorjedi.tripd.com/thisaintright.jpg
<Zorak790> la la lalalala la lala la la
<IwannabeMaraJade> Quid is coming
<Thunderheart> Blur: HARUMF!
<MaraJade12> la la la lalalala la la la la la
<Maglarken> get ready everyone for the chat to crash LOL
<BigSteve03> bye Ewoky!
<DarthPain> that is NOT a lightside Panda!
<Maddix_DOhm> Mara is
<Thunderheart> *RRROOOAR*
<Niloc> did you just vote again TH?
<roguegirl> hey now i am loyal to tco!
<BigSteve03> actually Mara is a lightside Panda
<DarthMalignant> So, who wants to make the bat cave with me? :D
<megaduce84> Dance Lighty dance!!!!!!!!!!
<Killjoy-X> Putt
<IwannabeMaraJade> YAY!
<BigSteve03> 'bout time Squid!
<Thunderheart> heh heh....always on sumthing, isnt it?
<Maglarken> QUID!
<IwannabeMaraJade> QUID IS HERE!
<KStarfire> id be more active, but my account wasnt working before ;)
<Killjoy-X> Putt
<Bountytaker> we getting under way now?
<Zorak790> the bat cave would be cool
<B0XMAN> argh
<Thunderheart> I got opinions for eveythingt;)
<CyrisVenator> ok what are these things like, we just going to spamm and have the devs watch us or something or what is going to happen?!?!
<TearForger> sneaky quid
<Manatour> lol
<IwannabeMaraJade> in a few
<Maddix_DOhm> I am loyal to Xahn! Down with Quid! Down with Quid!
<IwannabeMaraJade> we just need to be modded
<Killjoy-X> Putt
<Thunderheart> TCO IS TCB
<KStarfire> wheres the Voting going on :)
<roguegirl> I love everyone.
<B0XMAN> QUID MAKE CHATDROID STOP CALLING ME B0XASS
<Quid> Hey gang
<TearForger> can we go to a presentation mode for the interview?
<megaduce84> Panda target practice!
<Maddix_DOhm> hehe
<Mary> yo
<WarHawk109> hello
<Raithan> Hiya Quid
<Thunderheart> yo
<MaraJade12> hey quid
<Manatour> hey
<Killjoy-X> Putt Putt Putt
<Maddix_DOhm> Hey Quid
<Thunderheart> *WAVES AT QUID*
<OskarTheHutt> hey!
<ReftKlarr> Quid's type looks funny :O
<DarthPain> hey man with blue name
<Zorak790> *zorak says hi
<IwannabeMaraJade> hi peeps! I'm pretty blue now
<B0XMAN> quid looks like a girl with that typecolor :p
<KStarfire> yawn
<BigSteve03> wait, she took the suit off? So she's now nekkid?
<Raithan> Lol
<OskarTheHutt> whoa!
<Mary> mara behave now you haev blue words
<KStarfire> my blue is nicer ;)
<OskarTheHutt> awesome
<Maddix_DOhm> Shhhhhh Steve!
<megaduce84> I wanna help with the chat tonight I will be good I promise.
<Maddix_DOhm> Don't tell her!
<IwannabeMaraJade> yay chr0no is here
<IwannabeMaraJade> wb jedi
<OskarTheHutt> Man
<SoloLeaf> yay chrono
<KStarfire> ooo me too :)
<chr0nometer> I'm here
<BigSteve03> Niloc? thats not Steve
<OskarTheHutt> that writing is awesome
<LordValadon> whoops, lol.... GO HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---> http://kotorjedi.tripod.com/thisaintright.jpg
<MaraJade12> heya chr0no
<LordValadon> GO HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---> http://kotorjedi.tripod.com/thisaintright.jpg
<Maddix_DOhm> Yeah, do Niloc before staff...
<LordValadon> GO HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---> http://kotorjedi.tripod.com/thisaintright.jpg
<DarthMalignant> Chr0no! Long time no see.
<LordValadon> lol
<blur> thankyou
<Manatour> hey chr0no
<ReftKlarr> Bah
<IwannabeMaraJade> yes, we are getting the interviewees going
<KStarfire> grumbles
<chr0nometer> owie!
<KStarfire> :)
<chr0nometer> peanus = bad
<OskarTheHutt> I wish I was mara jade... I guess you could say, IwannabeMaraJade
<roguegirl> why is Mara blue?
<BigSteve03> but my precious topic is first!
<AvalonKiyet> mmmmm peanus
<roguegirl> and blur?
<AvalonKiyet> i mean peanuts
<blur> yes
<LordValadon> lol
<Leia_4loot> LOL something is wrong with that guy.
<Raithan> They are helping out tonight
<Zorak790> wait i thought the interview was liek the third part of the caht tonite
<KStarfire> oh well...i will make my place when time allows ;)
<roguegirl> Okay.
<LordValadon> how did they get to be hosts?
<KDT> Cause they are the leaders of this chat RG
<DarthMalignant> That's outrageous!
<megaduce84> Mara make me all blue and cool. I need some power !
<Mary> i see some big favouritism here
<TearForger> where the hecky hoo is vince?
<LordValadon> howdid they get to be posts?
<cuco76> was boba fett born on mandaloria?
<AvalonKiyet> all right let's get this going . . . my eng. hw is on hold b/c of this
<Ryoushi_Nihan> not sure
<CyrisVenator> well whos all going to get interviewed?!?
<Maglarken> Since Quid is here guys- lets make our demand for a PA devoted DEV CHAT- type DEMAND if you agree
<KStarfire> they are TCO..relax people ;)
<LordValadon> I mean hosts
<OskarTheHutt> come on... !voice OskarTheHutt
<KStarfire> im TCo too :)
<Ryoushi_Nihan> ahve not seen him yet
<Maglarken> DEMAND
<Thunderheart> *salutes TF*
<KStarfire> hehe
<roguegirl> I am TCO too hehe
<Ryoushi_Nihan> err have
<DarthMalignant> Guys.. quiet down.
<Bountytaker> I thought discussion was first?
<Quid> !Ryoushi_Nihan
<LordValadon> But I mean the other People
<OskarTheHutt> ...
<LordValadon> te noremal posts
<Maddix_DOhm> Darn, didn't work
<SoloLeaf> could I please help quid
<LordValadon> Imean hosts
<Ryoushi_Nihan> am I blue now?
<KDT> Damn
<KStarfire> ooh thats right roguegirl :)
<GeminiJedi> voice me!! i cant read what i type!
<LordValadon> how did people become normal hosts
<KStarfire> i read those logs :)
<LordValadon> lol
<KDT> RG and JB are both here
<KStarfire> nice to meet ya :)
<megaduce84> Quid Hook me up man!
<chr0nometer> I'm suffering from MSN withdrawel! Haven't been online in two days!
<DarthMalignant> Shhhh.
<KStarfire> im Relan
<KStarfire> ;)
<Maddix_DOhm> hehe, it DID work!
<IwannabeMaraJade> mega, hush
<Jedi_SirK> Hush people. Stop typing.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> now?
<LordValadon> i wanna bea host lol :(
<IwannabeMaraJade> yep
<TearForger> yup
<LordValadon> i dont care
<IwannabeMaraJade> your blue now
<blur> yes
<LordValadon> hehe
<DarthPain> what are you, color blind, Ry?
<IwannabeMaraJade> yay blade
<OskarTheHutt> if only I was blue
<Niloc> heya blade
<Thunderheart> hey b;ade ;)
<IwannabeMaraJade> aww chr0no
<blur> welcome blade
<Ryoushi_Nihan> hehe..I'm a smurph
<DarthMalignant> Hey, Blade.
<CyrisVenator> o this is going to be fun
<TearForger> it doesnt show to you only to the crowd
<BigSteve03> HeHe!
<Blade> hey therte :)
<OskarTheHutt> haha, if only that worked
<CyrisVenator> all the friends of the devs or something
<Mary> ah
<LordValadon> MODERATE THE ROOM MY EYES HURT
<chr0nometer> whew
<Quid> I will be right back
<KStarfire> that blue hurts the eyes :)
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Niloc also
<DisastaMasta> I wish I had pretty colors :(
<IwannabeMaraJade> wow Quid is working overtime here
<TearForger> can we go to a presentation mode?
<DarthMalignant> Poor Quid =(
<IwannabeMaraJade> Niloc is voiced
<Maddix_DOhm> Oh yeah, he'll brb... and missed me :p
<Thunderheart> blut time.... ;)
<BigSteve03> blue blue blue doo doo doo
<Quid> ...got to talk to Q-3PO for a sec
<Ryoushi_Nihan> ah
<Thunderheart> bout
<LordValadon> AHHH MY EYES
<Niloc> different blue colour
<IwannabeMaraJade> Solo, not tonight
<B0XMAN> http://www.subproc.com/photos/2001/09/20/arguing.jpg @ all you
<KDT> I have to go guys
<KStarfire> ooooooooww
<AvalonKiyet> quid should have his own talk show
<IwannabeMaraJade> but thanks for the offer
<LordValadon> GO HERE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---> http://kotorjedi.tripod.com/thisaintright.jpg
<AvalonKiyet> quid-talk
<KDT> BYE!
<megaduce84> Steve! Destroy Mara! Do it for the Dark side!
<Blade> he needed buggerin
<Mary> gotta love a chat where 95% are moderators =p
<KStarfire> i thought Q3 was off getting married :)
<Manatour> see ya Krayt
<IwannabeMaraJade> aww
<Ryoushi_Nihan> so we just need Vince and Rom right
<DarthMalignant> KStarfire, even being married, he can't stay away from us.
<chr0nometer> Quitcher pluggin'!
<roguegirl> David! hi
<KStarfire> lol
<DarthMalignant> He probably has a PDA on at the altar.
<KDT> Hopefully Ill see you guys later
<KStarfire> i just hope beta doesnt start when im on my honeymoon :)
<B0XMAN> quit yer typin
<DarthMalignant> "Oh, just a second, honey. Raph wants to discuss the Outcast system."
<LordValadon> SHUT UP
<LordValadon> lol
<KDT> JUST FEW MORE WEEKS BEFORE I GET FULL TIME ACCESS!
<CyrisVenator> hey blade
<Blade> heya
<KStarfire> otherwise Hawaii can wait :)
<KStarfire> ;)
<DavidExavior> hmm...am I really here?
<Quid> Lord Val, I have seen that pic many times and had a good chuckle :)
<KDT> Wait
<chr0nometer> Oddworld: Munchbacca's Oddysey
<Ryoushi_Nihan> ya..my thoughts also
<Manatour> hey Dave
<LordValadon> Yeah its awesome
<IwannabeMaraJade> Alright guys
<AvalonKiyet> hey that pic is my property
<Raithan> Ok Valadon, that has got to be the most disturbing thing I have ever seen in my entire 29 years on this planent
<AvalonKiyet> i made it famous
<LordValadon> No it isnt
<KStarfire> i just wanna change that blue color
<KStarfire> :)
<LordValadon> No sorry
<Maddix_DOhm> MSN is up
<Thunderheart> planent?
<chr0nometer> I'm on
<Mary> O.o
<Maddix_DOhm> It's the Xahn comment, isn't it?
<IwannabeMaraJade> k, we are almost ready to go
<Thunderheart> :/
<Mary> hurry slackas i dont haev all the night
<KStarfire> msn isnt working for me
<LordValadon> Avalon you wish you were half as cool as me
<chr0nometer> Lets get this show on the road f00!
<KStarfire> oh wait..there it is
<roguegirl> is Tuttiak going to be herre?
<Maddix_DOhm> Vinces on
<TearForger> except for two slackers yeah]
<OskarTheHutt> MSN ain't up
<Manatour> cool
<lewelyn> what is the purpose of this chat? Q&A or just BS'ing about the game?
<DarthMalignant> I'd like to take this moment to make a public service announcement.
<Maddix_DOhm> MSN up
<Niloc> he wasn't sure RG
<Maddix_DOhm> Vince on
<Ryoushi_Nihan> sounds good IWMJ
<Maddix_DOhm> RG on my lap
<LordValadon> MSN= Sown
<Maddix_DOhm> Mara within reach
<LordValadon> DOwn
<SoloLeaf> mara can u please clean up this chat a bit
<DarthMalignant> Haven't you ever thought that things aren't fair in the universe? Tired of being treated like a second class citizen?
<TearForger> i still cant get on msn
<DarthMalignant> Join the Empire!
<IwannabeMaraJade> its coming up for you Maddix
<chr0nometer> ooo
<KStarfire> i just got on it
<Raithan> There was alot of information brought out through the last chat, I expect more from this one though
<Ryoushi_Nihan> MSN is back up for those who need it
<lewelyn> I see, thought that was the subject on the 14th
<LordValadon> +m the room!
<blur> roger that


Start:

<IwannabeMaraJade> THIS IS NOT A DEV CHAT! THIS IS A COMMUNITY CHAT
<AvalonKiyet> is there a way to keep non mods from talking
<chr0nometer> It is?
<Mary> can i be in beta?
<BigSteve03> ouch! my ears
<OskarTheHutt> Player assorciations eh?
<Maddix_DOhm> pfffff
<KStarfire> ok got it :)
<Manatour> doh
<OskarTheHutt> stupid me, can't spell
<IwannabeMaraJade> we are going to start with an open discussion
<flaming_gecko> k
<Leia_4loot> I really hope that this game isnt designed in such a way that PA's are mandatory
<Bountytaker> topic 1..........
<DarthMalignant> I want to host the beta! Bwahahaha.
<LordValadon> where can I beta test? LOL jk
<OskarTheHutt> Player Associations
<IwannabeMaraJade> it will be headed by BigSteve03
<Niloc> messenger is back up
<Zorak790> is this only TCO or can others be talked about
<chr0nometer> Speaking of Player Associations, I'm thirsty
<Thunderheart> is everyone in TCO supposed to be "blue"?
<GeminiJedi> maddix remember your goood ol' friend gemini!!! VOICE HIM!!!
<LordValadon> lol
<DisastaMasta> I like cheese!
<DisastaMasta> is it time yet?
<roguegirl> Well I am not blue.
<IwannabeMaraJade> only those who are being interviewed
<LordValadon> hey thats my line
<Ryoushi_Nihan> TCO later after open discussion
<Thunderheart> *shills the crowd*
<Niloc> no TH just the eight being interviewed
<GeminiJedi> awwwwww
<Zorak790> why does everyone ignore me?
<Mary> haha nobody love you =p
<cuco76> how do i turn blue off?
<Raithan> Give me a few months to get my cantina up and running Chrono
<IwannabeMaraJade> hi Zorak
<GeminiJedi> =(
<Thunderheart> Mary: =P
<IwannabeMaraJade> K, SHHH
<megaduce84> Gem it wont work. now that they have power they have forgotten about us.
<B0XMAN> THE CYLES QUEST RPG VIDEO GAME BETA IS OPEN - - GO TO WWW.SWG-DE.COM FORUMS FOR MORE INFO
<chr0nometer> Zorak790 is the coolest ever
<Mary> =)
<IwannabeMaraJade> WE ARE GOING TO START
<GeminiJedi> yeh
<Zorak790> yes recognition toipee
<LordValadon> MOSERATE AHHHHH
<blur> roger that, jade
<Zorak790> yipee*
<GeminiJedi> true!!!
<OskarTheHutt> QUIET
<LordValadon> MODERATE
<Thunderheart> hey vince
<IwannabeMaraJade> PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ADVERTISING AND SPAMMING
<OskarTheHutt> QUIET
<LordValadon> im gonna die
<flaming_gecko> lol
<Jedi_SirK> HUSH EVERYONE.
<LordValadon> Quid, can you moderate it?
<GeminiJedi> i say we make a mutiny for that!!!
<B0XMAN> hahaha
<OskarTheHutt> SHH!
<VincentDarkwind> heh
<SoloLeaf> please moderate it
<DarthMalignant> Spam, spam, spam spam! Spam, spam, spam spam! Spammity spam! Spam spam spam!


Topic Discussion:

<IwannabeMaraJade> PLEASE GIVE YOUR ATTENTION TO BIGSTEVE03 AS HE IS GOING TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT
<megaduce84> Yeah me and you gem lets take over!
<roguegirl> Hi vincent
<blur> can we op vince?
<LordValadon> Vincent I need to talk to you
<BigSteve03> Right, Tonight is PA night, in case you didn't notice. So our first topic of the night is Pre-Game PAs. Are they a good idea? What's the benefit of establishing a PA so long before the game is released?
<IwannabeMaraJade> THIS SEGMENT IS OPEN FOR ALL TO DEBATE
<GeminiJedi> mara just silence the room!
<Quid> No spamming Cyle...
<flaming_gecko> yes
<LordValadon> VINCENT: I put you on my MSN
<DarthMalignant> Bad idea, BigSteve.
<Bountytaker> i think they're fine
<AvalonKiyet> lol at quid
<IwannabeMaraJade> no, this is open discussion
<Quid> :)
<DrJoda> i am here
<B0XMAN> :)
<DarthMalignant> They tend to end up as uber guilds.
<DrJoda> have no fear
<IwannabeMaraJade> where is Vincent?
<DarthPain> Pre-game PAs are 90% fluff, 10% serious
<chr0nometer> PAs = good
<DarthMalignant> Or, in this case, uber-PAs.
<IwannabeMaraJade> there he is
<Bountytaker> problem is, SWG's system doesn't seem to be pre-game friendly
<SoloLeaf> he's here
<DarthMalignant> Which are good for no one.
<B0XMAN> PAs = evil
<flaming_gecko> I'm trying to start a PA now
<Mary> i dont like the name PA
<blur> Pre-game PAs are a great idea as they foster interest and micro communities around the game in question.
<Mary> lets change to guilds
<OskarTheHutt> I dont think theres anyting wrong with me
<OskarTheHutt> em*
<flaming_gecko> unfortunately, I don't know whether I'll be able to get the game
<CyrisVenator> here here mary
<Zorak790> Pre game ones seem to e cool, allows for you to get started as soon as you buy the game
<OskarTheHutt> haha
<OskarTheHutt> me
<GeminiJedi> Will there be any wars between pa's?
<B0XMAN> hmm i wonder why im singles out when everyone else is spamming too and nothing is said to them....
<Jedi_SirK> Well, pre-game PA's also tend to build good PA's...People stay with them and they do make the community seem to feel together.
<Thunderheart> yes
<AvalonKiyet> if a PA is full of devoted members that are trying to accomplish something, it doesn't matter when they're made
<DarthMalignant> But blur, what about the guilds, such as Rebel Dawn, that have more members than multiple smaller ones together?
<LethMan> Peoplie!
<chr0nometer> The delegates of chr0no concur with the honourable delegation of blur
<Mary> leth!
<Thunderheart> there wil be server made battliefields...
<KStarfire> Box...cuz yoru names all caps ;)
<LethMan> Damn..did i miss trtivia?!
<Raithan> I have no problem with pre launch PA's, if anything it brings together the community that already exsists here more so.
<megaduce84> The PA I am trying to join wich I will not plug. Has a good way of filtering the applicants so that they do not have tp many people. I just wish my Application would go through.
<LethMan> Hey, mary!
<Thunderheart> for PA
<LethMan> hi all!
<Maglarken> Yes, they are good, but the DEVS are making it difficult for us leaders to get things going though
<IwannabeMaraJade> this channel will not be moderated at this time
<Zorak790> i can't follow this!!
<Leia_4loot> PA's will happen regardless of the encouragement of the game designer.
<LethMan> z00t! hey mara
<Mary> we just started babe!
<IwannabeMaraJade> it is open discussion
<LethMan> ack
<IwannabeMaraJade> please stay on topic
<Manatour> shame...
<Tobar> I saw a pregame PA where there was a council of supposed PA
<DarthPain> I don't think PAs foster any interest for the community at large - they do for their small number of members, but I have seen MMORPGs die because the community was based on PAs
<Leia_4loot> The real question is, will PA's be used as an excuse for problems in game design
<LethMan> w00t!
<Tobar> Jedi
<OskarTheHutt> this chat would be funner if I could read something
<GeminiJedi> will there be any wars between PA's?
<blur> DarthMalignant: Well, if they're popular... so be it. Not every PA needs to be big (in the member sense), anyway.
<Bountytaker> doesn't make a difference how organized the PA's are, the system isn't set up for them to have an advantage at the beginning
<chr0nometer> Our community isn't based solely one PAs though
<IwannabeMaraJade> MMORPG's DIE??? because of PA's?
<DarthMalignant> I know, blur. Just a question.. did you ever play early UO or current EQ?
<Thunderheart> THe advantage will be in how well they work together....
<Jedi_SirK> It isn't the community that is based on it. People do not HAVE to join one, but if they want to, they can.
<KStarfire> i played UO....baja :)
<BigSteve03> to me, pre-game PAs are really just group of friends who want to hang out together outside of the main boards
<Mary> ./msg Thunderheart stop sending me pr0n links, will ya?
<DarthMalignant> Yeah, IWBMJ. A lot of players leave due to the super-guilds taking over.
<Mary> mistell
<Ryoushi_Nihan> If the PA is constructed correctly...it fosters an ability to bring differing play styles together..but it must be done correctly to do that
<DarthPain> the ideal MMORPG will encourage "loners" to convene - I think SWG helps with that by the inclusion of factions as a "general-entry" PA system
<blur> DM: yes - both of them.
<BigSteve03> anything else is just a pipe dream
<IwannabeMaraJade> lol Mary
<B0XMAN> PAs suck because they put too much order into a game that shoudl be a chaotic fun
<chr0nometer> I was pressured into joining a PA! Let this be a lesson to you yunguns
<DrJoda> but to do that u need to know more aobut the game
<DarthMalignant> Blur, then you probably noticed in both how much the large guilds tend to dominate.
<BigSteve03> you were asked to join to make a website!
<B0XMAN> yunguns?
<CommanderTarn> hey
<chr0nometer> Oh yeah
<CyrisVenator> I agree with big steve03 there is no reason to make a PA like just war war war work work work, why not just have fun?
<CommanderTarn> im baaaack
<LordValadon> Yeah pregame PAs are a good way of establishing a plan and getting a solid group of people to play with
<Zorak790> The large guilds do get up a lot of influence at time
<Zorak790> s
<DarthMalignant> In UO, the biggest guilds were the ones who could afford to monopolize mining spots, crush any who disagreed with them.
<flaming_gecko> chr0no, will you join my PA???? PLEASE??? (j/k)
<Ryoushi_Nihan> don't ever join a PA unless you really want to...don't let anyone pressure you..this game is about YOUR fun
<blur> DM, yes i have.
<megaduce84> I came to the PA uninvited! mwahahahahahahahahahaha
<DarthMalignant> EQ, they're the ones who get the uber-equipment.
<flaming_gecko> w00t!
<Munchbacca> PA's right now are not a good idea. C`mon people, just wait till the game comes out! I've done this sort of thing before and when the game comes out, non of the pre games peeps show up!
<LethMan> :P
<chr0nometer> I hear good things
<DarthPain> Mara - I've seen MMORPGs die because the PAs were their own little clubs, while the rest of the community didn't have that glue to hold them together - soon, all that was left were the PAs, and no community beyond that
<CyrisVenator> your right there Ryoushi_Nihan
<Raithan> I do not expect everyone to be involved in a pre launch PA, and yes they do not promote anything for the community at large, but itf tighter friendships begin before people actually play the game it hurts no one and helps whoever wants to strt or enter a PA
<Niloc> I think PA's are about relationships more than anything
<Blade> The greatest benefit of pre-game PA's is finding a group of people you actually enjoy hanging out with online. That can take time--especially if you start as strangers.
<DarthMalignant> And pre-game PAs tend to be the nucleus around which the biggest of the PAs form.
<BigSteve03> right now, I don't see how a PA can actually plan for the game, do we really know enough to do that sort of planning
<flaming_gecko> dunno
<OskarTheHutt> well
<chr0nometer> All we can do is get to know each other
<DrJoda> i agree with bigsteve
<flaming_gecko> but we can try
<OskarTheHutt> They dont have to plan
<DarthMalignant> Note that I'm really a hypocrite, as I'm currently a member of Rebel Dawn.
<ReftKlarr> yes
<Niloc> sure you can plan .....
<CyrisVenator> very truth bigsteve!!!
<DarthMalignant> But I can still argue against myself ;)
<Bountytaker> that's what I'm saying
<LordValadon> PAs are a VERY good way of establishing a solid group of people to play with that share similar goals and beliefs
<CommanderTarn> i agree with Steve
<DrJoda> but that wats the forums are for to get to know eachother
<ReftKlarr> We know there will be cities
<Jedi_SirK> Nobody shows up?? Well, people in pre game PA's WILL show up. I mean, this IS Star Wars...
<AvalonKiyet> you can have fun together . . . good enough for me . . and if iu have acore group of members u can change the plan easily
<DrJoda> i dont think we need pa's for that
<blur> point to LordValadon
<ReftKlarr> that alone warrants pre planning
<AngryAngryHippo> The problem with PA's is that oftne times they become a refuge for elitist players, leaving newcomers hanging when it comes to grouping and performing crafts and trade as effectively as PA's
<LethMan> w00t!
<flaming_gecko> PA's for me are just a bunch of friends with and interest in the game
<flaming_gecko> with an
<BigSteve03> TP- I actually agree with that, I've seen the SWG boards really suffer as more and more of the "big names" leave and become more involved with thier own little pas
<CyborgVexter> WOAH! LOTS OF PSEUDO MODS
<OskarTheHutt> just have a bucha ppl who know they want to be in it, and then they have a huge PA at the beginning which will be well known and people will join
<IwannabeMaraJade> hi Vexxie
<Ryoushi_Nihan> afk
<Bountytaker> how powerfull can a pre-game PA be when it doesn't even no how its members are going to join in game, or how much a hall costs
<Mary> i just have 1 thing to say: i disagree with bs03 in everything, thanks!
<CyborgVexter> hi Mara!
<DarthMalignant> But I agree with the assessment about 90% fluff 10% substance.
<CyborgVexter> Hi Leth!
<LethMan> Yo!
<CommanderTarn> it seems weird to me to be planning our ingame lives when we have no idea what the game will be like
<chr0nometer> The ones that bug me are the player-run city sites that boast about what cool stuff their city will have. In reality, they'll probably never get anything off the ground!
<Zorak790> same here darth
<DarthMalignant> The sad fact is, very few of the smaller pre-game PAs survive to the game.
<CommanderTarn> or only a very limited one
<blur> BigSteve... what big names have left? As far as the dev board goes, I'm still seeing the big names i was seeing 12 months ago
<IwannabeMaraJade> welcome GoeWae
<Niloc> the game mechanics aren't really that important for a PA to work though
<DarthMalignant> blur's right.
<Zorak790> yeah is nabubu really going to have all that stuff?
<LordValadon> Chr0no I agree with you 100%
<DarthMalignant> I've noticed a few of the big names leave.
<Bountytaker> me too, they're still out there
<DarthPain> I think factions (if declaring is actually encouraged by the devs and not just a PvP switch) will encourage a strong community, as there is no "get to know ya" phase or "screening" process - anyone with the same insignia tattooed on their avatar is automatically an ally
<BigSteve03> not really left, just don't spend as much time there
<Jedi_SirK> Darth, this IS true, but that does not mean that they are a bad idea
<DarthMalignant> But most of us oldbies are still here.
<megaduce84> Vex , Gem , Leth. We are alone all of are friends have become mods.....We have been abandoned.
<Maddix_DOhm> Hey Tutty
<IwannabeMaraJade> General Boards people are slinking off into the sunset
<Ryoushi_Nihan> are the big names leaving because there are involved in other stuff..or because the boards info flow has slowed down?
<LethMan> Aye...abandoned, we have become.
<BigSteve03> I'm really talking more about the Gen boards, I think the Dev boards still have the same attendnace
<Tuttiak> Heyas Maddix
<Mary> Look sir, Gennies!
<DarthMalignant> IWBMJ, that's true of the GEn board, but I don't think it's really related to the game.
<Mary> eeck
<San-Holo> hmmm
<CyborgVexter> ARG! ICE CREAM HEADACHE!
<blur> BigSteve, well that could be a lot of things - such as general burnout - which arent related to PAs specifically
<Zorak790> i go to both dev and Gen boards
<chr0nometer> And theres that one "academy" PA, advertising lessons on getting good in the game.....you know...the game that won't be out for months and months.....
<Zorak790> DOUBLE AGENT
<DarthMalignant> The Gen Boards are like any other community board, you lose members and you gain members.
<IwannabeMaraJade> hi Havain, welcome to BMCC
<Bountytaker> actually, some of the pre-game PA posters have been a big help, asking questions and pointing out PA related problems
<BigSteve03> I'm including myself, I've been there from the beginning, but I spend most of my time in the PA than on the SWG boards
<CyborgVexter> sorry...no cap talking
<megaduce84> They will pay for this later. my friends.
<Raithan> True the forums may suffer, but this game is about the game and the players, not about the forums. Besides, I have not been here that long but even I have seen a few new people come on.
<CyborgVexter> lol
<BigSteve03> now
<ReftKlarr> What is the dillema with having pre-game PA's?
<LethMan> trivia?
<DarthMalignant> The Dev Boards are the most static, with most of the changes being new people coming.
<Havain> hi guys
<CyborgVexter> trivia!
<Thunderheart> =======Wht did TCO get first chat?
<IwannabeMaraJade> trivia is later
<Niloc> I switched myself to PA involvement over the boards
<Thunderheart> ======er why?
<megaduce84> Dancing?
<LethMan> ;-0
<Tuttiak> heyas Havain
<Mary> favouritism TH
<Ryoushi_Nihan> I actually visit the Gen boards now more than I used to..simply because the Dev boards are rehashing things so much
<BigSteve03> because Maddix was looking for a way to join them
<Havain> did we get to the interview yet? :)
<Mary> it happens all the time!
<flaming_gecko> brb
<DarthMalignant> I spend most of my time on the fansite I work on's boards.
<Maddix_DOhm> lol BS
<blur> mary.. TH is IN TCO :)
<Mary> corruption
<Blade> Establishing core beliefs, interests and goals is perfectly fine--but setting expectations or absolutes and predictions is a bit premature. ;)
<roguegirl> Hi tuttle!
<Mary> !
<Thunderheart> ======)
<ReftKlarr> How do pre-game PA's negatively affect those who are not in one?
<GoaWae> or did you guys jhust ramdomly pick one
<DarthMalignant> But I still show up on the Dev Boards. Everyone loves a godo debate.
<chr0nometer> TCO r0xx0rs your b0xx0rs thats why
<Mary> stop shooting your own feet TH
<KStarfire> me toooooooo :)
<DrJoda> ahh too much slow down
<Maddix_DOhm> They asked me AFTER we asked them... hell, I didn't know they existed... but knew members :p
<DarthPain> I'm not *against* pre-game PAs, I just think most of them are pipe-dreams at this point
<DarthMalignant> ReftKlarr, it creates cliques that you may not be able to join.
<TheBside> while this is a real hoot and everything its too difficult to follow an unmoderated chat this large... I'll be watching ANGEL until moderation begings lol
<BigSteve03> I agree with what ch0rno's saying. PAs that are getting very detail orientated about stuff we really have no idea about (like cities) just won't make it in game
<Munchbacca> one question. can two same side pa's engage combat with each other? I sincirly hope not
<DarthMalignant> It lowers the possible pool of people you can recruit.
<OskarTheHutt> HAHA
<Thunderheart> =gotta heat up the crowd for good questions..as a GM, its my job to instigate
<IwannabeMaraJade> well pipe dreams are nice
<Zorak790> some have no real basis in the reality of the game
<Thunderheart> =)
<OskarTheHutt> CH0RNO!
<BigSteve03> I don't believe so Munch
<IwannabeMaraJade> you can't get anywhere unless you have a dream first
<BrentStargazer> Trivia Start yet !?!?!?
<Zorak790> one has liek 20 peopel and you HAVE to a a dark jedi to be i nit
<chr0nometer> "Our city will have a large statue of Cyle in the town square...."
<megaduce84> I couldnt get in on any threads on the RP boards so I am attempting to join a PA! IF they ever get me in !!!!!!
<IwannabeMaraJade> Brent, not till later
<Jedi_SirK> Munch: THey CAN initiate wars against each other.
<LethMan> Hey, brent!
<BigSteve03> true Mara, but you have to accept that its just a dream for now
<BrentStargazer> Thank god i didnt miss it
<Thunderheart> ==============I think we should interview Tearforger
<DarthMalignant> Exactly, BigSteve.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> to a point they are DP.....but at the same time...the very least you walk away with, even if the group does not pan out...is at least a couple people to play with when you first start
<Maglarken> I agree about PA's making large plans, it is impossible for them to actually plan like they are
<MaraJade12> lol Leth
<Niloc> why does it matter though if you can't do stuff you plan for if in the process of planning you are having fun?
<Blade> not at all DP--it's only those who have stated specific predetermined achievements who are setting themselves up for problems
<LethMan> :P
<DarthMalignant> That's the crux of the issue.
<LethMan> Hey baby?
<LordValadon> Hey isnt the TCO website supposed to be revealed tonight? Reveal it I am interested in seeing it
<DarthPain> I'd rather have a PA form from a clique of friends gathering and organizing, instead of an organization trying to "make" friends - they kinda remind me of frats - it's almost like buying your friends
<CyborgVexter> yup!
<MaraJade12> :D
<BrentStargazer> What time will Trivia start do you suppose ?
<megaduce84> Mr. Roboto?
<SoloLeaf> SOMEONE PLEASE MODERATE
<Mary> After 2 months of recruiting, Followers of Mary still have just 1 member (me) ! 8(
<chr0nometer> Trivia later
<Jedi_SirK> lol @ Darth
<IwannabeMaraJade> hi Bothan and Krimlon, welvcome to BMCC, we are discussion PA's
<BrentStargazer> Domorigoto ! Mr. Roboto !
<Thunderheart> ----Blade, what kind of specific achievements do you mena?
<DrJoda> yea i agree with that
<Killjoy-X> Heck, I've already planned an attack on TCO tonight
<LethMan> Ack...oh, bio aint here w/ his stupid NSS msg :P
<BothanRogue> Trivia in like 4 hours
<Raithan> Ok, this topic is void anyway, it does not matter whether the devs or anyone else acknowledges the pre launch PA's, as has been already stated, PA's are already popping up
<LordValadon> lol
<Killjoy-X> That's plannin...
<OskarTheHutt> MY CITY'S GONNA HAVE A HUUUUUUUUUGE STATUE OF THE EMPOROR, AND WE'RE GONNA OWN A STAR DESTROYER AND EVERYONE IN THE CITY WILL BE A JEDI
<BigSteve03> I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but if you base everything you have on unknowns you just don't have much hope of making it
<AvalonKiyet> MODERATION NEEDED DESPERATELY --- chat making me get nautious
<BrentStargazer> I need a specific time
<IwannabeMaraJade> pleas read the rundown for trivia
<LordValadon> lol
<BigSteve03> you can't take anything too seriously righ tnow
<Blade> heh *cough* Jedi PA*cough*
<chr0nometer> We have to blah blah about PAs and interview some people first :)
<Havain> woot, go PA's!
<LethMan> w000t!
<LordValadon> AVALON -- GET ONE OF YOUR UBER BARF BAGS
<LethMan> maybe she'll say something
<DarthMalignant> I would actually say that PAs formed on mutual interest stay around longer than those formed on friendship.
<BothanRogue> AP
<AvalonKiyet> lol
<Thunderheart> ROFLMAO
<CommanderTarn> WOULD EVERYONE JUST SHUT THEIR MOUTHS
<BothanRogue> PA
<BrentStargazer> but i need a definate time
<BothanRogue> PA
<CyborgVexter> LOL!
<BothanRogue> PA
<SpiffAntilles> So will PAs have any hardcoded advantages apart from a /gu type chat channel?
<CommanderTarn> TACETE!
<Quid> mines shut
<Maddix_DOhm> Hey X
<Ryoushi_Nihan> I hated PAs before I fell into this group..(and I hate Frats a lot by the way) ;-) honestly it is the group you find that makes the difference
<IwannabeMaraJade> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS PORTION OF THE CHAT IS NOT MODERATED FOR IT IS OPEN DISCUSSION
<CommanderTarn> one at a time
<StrykerX> Greetings all
<BrentStargazer> How about just a round estimate ?
<CyborgVexter> w00t!
<Killjoy-X> Putt Putt Putt
<DarthMalignant> STOP SPAMMING.
<BothanRogue> PA
<DarthMalignant> Thank you.
<BothanRogue> PA
<LordValadon> WELL MODERATE IT
<BrentStargazer> A guess ?
<IwannabeMaraJade> PLEASE ALL STAY ON TOPIC
<SoloLeaf> At least get some kind of order
<BrentStargazer> What topic ? I just got here
<Zorak790> jsut moderate it
<DarthPain> there are exceptions, Ry - unfortunately, they're the EXCEPTIONS, not the rule
<B0XMAN> you said it was open discussion
<LordValadon> THESE PEOPLE ARENT CAPABLE OF THAT
<LethMan> My beauty.
<LordValadon> lol
<Raithan> Pre launch PA's
<DarthMalignant> Anyways, the pre-game PAs form mostly due to friendship.
<BigSteve03> I agree Mal, like I said originally, PAs right now are really just groups of like minded individuals
<Zorak790> thsi is gettign impossible to foloow
<Ryoushi_Nihan> agreed
<IwannabeMaraJade> then you may leave
<Manatour> afk
<BigSteve03> online friends
<Thunderheart> *sighs*
<BrentStargazer> Ah, Pa's
<Thunderheart> *waves*
<SoloLeaf> vince has had enough
<LordValadon> Lets move on to another topic
<DarthMalignant> Exactly.
<Thunderheart> *poof*
<CommanderTarn> PAs shouldn't be planning what they are going to do beyond very broad ideas
<BrentStargazer> I need to laern to e
<Ryoushi_Nihan> that is why I hope SWG offers a new way of implementing PAs...to try to help the evolution along
<Quid> hey the moderate function works
<Maddix_DOhm> Ahh
<Maddix_DOhm> my brain can rest
<Mary> why do everytime
<chr0nometer> Neato Squidders!
<BigSteve03> me too Ryoushi
<Mary> gr
<LordValadon> noooooo
<OskarTheHutt> ahh...
<DrJoda> u cant plan anything for the game
<DarthMalignant> I like the idea of PA controllable towns.
<DarthPain> the future of gaming will replace most PAs with in-game "sides"
<CyborgVexter> w00t!
<OskarTheHutt> that was nice with it moderated
<LordValadon> MODERATE
<Niloc> I believe that the ongoing team should have a PA liason officer to assist in roleplaying PA's.
<Jedi_SirK> Pa's CANNOT be decided thos early when we know next to nothing about the game. You dln't know how your character will work, (for the most part) nor do you know how group killing is based.
<SoloLeaf> oh god
<CyborgVexter> girls say...girls say
<Maglarken> Well I have to say this, A PRe-Game PA will be organized and well formed before the game begins, BUT they cannot depend on definate structures, they have to be flexible enough to change
<megaduce84> Leth,Vex,Gem, they are attempting to silence us! ATTACK!
<BigSteve03> but until we hear from the devs about that, people just can't take themselves too seriously
<BrentStargazer> THat is an evil song
<CyborgVexter> PK! PK! PK!
<Havain> If a group has enough dedication to recruit members, make a website, create a structure, etc, all before a game launches, I think they have a good chance of making it in game.
<CyborgVexter> :p
<DarthMalignant> Niloc, the problem is, you don't want to alienate those who are against Roleplaying.
<BigSteve03> that's what I'm trying to say Mag
<DarthMalignant> Believe it or not, there are many who find it annoying.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> agreed there also bidS
<CommanderTarn> since we dont know much about the games particulars
<Zorak790> yeah there are
<chr0nometer> The thing that REALLY ticks me off is PA wars....rival PAs........
<Niloc> how does helping someone roleplay alienate those that don't
<chr0nometer> I mean, come one
<BrentStargazer> PA WArs
<Jedi_SirK> chr0no
<chr0nometer> on
<LordValadon> THIS IS STARTING TO SUCK: please moderate it... its not like we are having much luck this way
<DarthMalignant> Niloc, because then they believe that RP'ers are getting special treatment.
<DarthPain> I hear ya Chrono
<CommanderTarn> we shouldnt go on and on about what were gonna do
<BrentStargazer> PA wars, whats wrong with that ?
<Zorak790> it is kinda anoyying when you walk into felucca and hear inane medival babble
<B0XMAN> what would there be without war?
<Jedi_SirK> PA wars are going to be a HUGE part of the game!!!
<Munchbacca> really
<LethMan> omg....I forgot to watch ROTJ...we just know why that's gonna be important tonight... :P
<Bountytaker> what about them chrono
<Ryoushi_Nihan> PAs should set them selves up to be flexible enough to adapt to the game mechanics that are yet to be revealed...so they can survive into game
<KStarfire> how about one at a time ;)
<Killjoy-X> I couldn't join a pregame PA---I need to know people of my style, age, playtime, etc.
<BrentStargazer> hey, Pking on this chat is MY job
<CommanderTarn> PA wars are cool
<DavidExavior> finally
<IwannabeMaraJade> wb David!
<CommanderTarn> just dont take over the boards with them
<DarthMalignant> Ryoushi, -exactly-.
<BigSteve03> well, since PAs are really just groups of like minded induhviduals right now, of course PA wars are going to happen, too many like minded people butting heads just causes trouble
<chr0nometer> PA wars are such a waste right now. I mean, sure its fun to battle in the game, but all we're doing now is ticking other people off
<Killjoy-X> However, I think those that are willing to do so are great and will be good for the game and community
<Bountytaker> i like them, but I can see potential problems with same faction PA wars
<CommanderTarn> agreed
<Niloc> ok but isn't the experience system giving non roleplayers special treatment?>
<Zorak790> lol induhviduals
<Ryoushi_Nihan> KJ-x that is where multi-playstyle PAs help
<DarthMalignant> Niloc, I agree.
<LordValadon> who remembers archy?
<Zorak790> another dilbert fan :)
<DarthMalignant> I'm a roleplayer.
<Maglarken> CHRONO- My PA has fell victim to the very PA Wars you are talking about- we have been put on enemy lists already and we have not even begun the game- it is islly really
<AvalonKiyet> lol
<LordValadon> WHO REMEMBERS ARCHY?
<LordValadon> lol
<BrentStargazer> I dont see anything wrong with rival Pa's
<chr0nometer> Well, *I* think they're silly :)
<CyborgVexter> l3wt!
<BrentStargazer> 1337
<KamakazieGoat> is there a dev chat tonight or something?
<Maglarken> So do i
<DarthMalignant> chr0no, what are the rivalries based on?
<megaduce84> Well Im gone. Im to upset about my friends forgetting about me to chat.... Good bye. : P
<Jedi_SirK> Well, agreed chr0no, but that doesn't mean that PA wars will be not fun. I intend to make them as fun as they can get...
<Killjoy-X> R_N--But does multi-style involve tradeoffs? That's my concern...
<Raithan> I hope to see many PA wars and many Neutral PA's, hell and every other kind of PA. Giving the players the broadest posibilities involving everything the devs can in the game makes more people happy, make SWG more money, makes a better game for us
<Bountytaker> but with the zone of control system and the leader boards, don't PA wars have their place?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Personally..I wish they would do away with the PA leaderboards they have talked about
<IwannabeMaraJade> no Dev chat, please read the rundown in the future
<KamakazieGoat> Is there a Dev chat tonight or whats going on
<LordValadon> !moo
<chr0nometer> I didn't say they wouldn't be fun. But as a pre-game thing, it seems to be causing more trouble than fun
<BigSteve03> so do I Ry
<LethMan> aye
<AmidalaTheDark> whats a PA?
<LordValadon> !MOO!
<DarthMalignant> I would expect PAs who express Rebel sympathies to be at war with those who express Imperial sympathies.
<LethMan> w00t!
<LordValadon> lol
<BrentStargazer> Will trivia be before 10:00 ?
<IwannabeMaraJade> this is BMCC, a community driven chat
<CyborgVexter> lol@ATd!
<LethMan> she talked!
<Tuttiak> They should BTaker
<Bountytaker> what trouble, i missed that
<CyborgVexter> a n00b question nontheless
<LethMan> Is that 93 octane, mara?
<BigSteve03> true chr0no. Right now PA wars are just personal fights. Just crabby people who forget its a game
<DarthMalignant> It's a big question about what the rivalries are based on.
<Niloc> frankly I would love to run into a roleplaying PA that is from a different faction so that we could actually roleplay the conflict properly instead of having grudge matches
<chr0nometer> Yup
<BrentStargazer> If trivia will be after 10:00 EST then i'll go and come back
<CommanderTarn> BigSteve you are so right
<Maglarken> I agree
<DarthMalignant> The thing is, though, not -all- PA wars are personal fights.
<LordValadon> VINCENT GO ON MSN
<SpiffAntilles> Hm, can't the ones getting put together now simply be ignored by those who don't like them?
<Jedi_SirK> chr0no, of course they are. NOW they are, but later on when the game goes LIVE, they will be an integral paer of the game.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> KJ-X it could....depends on the group.....we will cover waht TCO has done later...but if the RP is done right, I don't see the tradeoffs deing too deep
<SoloLeaf> you crash vince?
<chr0nometer> Theres a lot of agreement tonight. Me likey :)
<Tuttiak> agreed Niloc
<DarthPain> I have a PA - the anti-PA PA - in order to join...don't! :D
<VincentDarkwind> sorry guys..had to step out for a sec.
<BigSteve03> lol
<ReftKlarr> What control do Devs have on PA's if any has been announced?
<Bountytaker> heck, PA's aren't the only ones who are fighting pregame. read the outcast and the scs/mcs debates. personal fights.
<DarthMalignant> There -are- PAs with legitimate conflicts based on roleplaying.
<Killjoy-X> I agree Niloc--I think successful PAs need good PA enemies
<BigSteve03> but not much discussion
<Maglarken> it is ridiculous for one PA to declare War on anohter PA befor ethe game even begins
<BigSteve03> So what kind of PAs do you think will actually make it in game?
<chr0nometer> I agree
<BrentStargazer> i'll be afk, dont start the trivia without me\
<Bountytaker> so, i don't think PA wars are so bad
<Rowmin> hmmm
<B0XMAN> ahaha
<BigSteve03> I Can probably count the number of PAs that I think will make it on one hand right now
<megaduce84> Mara is back with us!
<B0XMAN> welcome to the underworld IWBMJ
<Maddix_DOhm> ?
<CyborgVexter> agreeed Leth
<BigSteve03> Goa - she's a man
<Maglarken> I think that multi-profession PA's will last because of the economics would be in place better
<CommanderTarn> poor mara
<ReftKlarr> BigSteve, I say only those that truly look at the game as fun and not work
<megaduce84> Mara has become one!
<IwannabeMaraJade> thanks
<DisastaMasta> I thought we would be talking with Artists today... Anyhoo my position on PAs is they are good and make the game more into a very small amount of BIG clans which battle against the other big clans (Imperial VS Rebel VS Hutt).
<IwannabeMaraJade> ;-)
<CyborgVexter> HA! Welcome to the proletariat!
<DarthMalignant> BigSteve, I'll say the biggest ones, and the ones who exist based on mutual interest.
<Tuttiak> heyas Kidross
<Zorak790> the company PA's will stary longer
<DarthMalignant> There will be the few exceptions.
<Kidross> hey
<ReftKlarr> So cities may not make it if they are too serious
<Blade> heh BS3--I'd challenge that bet
<chr0nometer> Bigsteve is big
<LethMan> If you like pina colodas....and....getting...caught...no...must resist...............must....not....spam...
<AmidalaTheDark> its great to be a peon
<roguegirl> yes he is.
<B0XMAN> hes too small
<Zorak790> once a PA lsoes a fight half of them wil lleave
<Blade> if either of us could prove it that is
<Niloc> so how can we do that without forming PA's before the game goes up....and all seriousness aside it demonstrates that people want to roleplay ...its an advertisement
<SoloLeaf> Any PA that has about 5 dedicated members can make it in SWG as i understand the game now
<LordValadon> gettin caught in the rain!
<LordValadon> lol
<megaduce84> You see Mara you are just like me gem ,vex and Leth.
<LethMan> :P
<Rowmin> hmmm
<chr0nometer> It is an advertisement
<IwannabeMaraJade> yes
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Big -S the ones that are flexible and the ones that try to include as many palystyles as possible
<IwannabeMaraJade> I always have been
<Ryoushi_Nihan> they will survive
<CyborgVexter> Sausages!
<VincentDarkwind> Maddix Romwin needs to be blued
<Mary> Followers of Mary is recruiting, rodians only, send a msg to TH for more details
<chr0nometer> Mara's a man, baby
<BigSteve03> actually Mal, I don't think some of the largest ones won't make make. they just seem too top heavy
<megaduce84> But you were all big and bad with your Blue Words!
<chr0nometer> :D
<LethMan> you're into girls, mara?
<DarthMalignant> The faction related ones.
<Zorak790> those are the company ones
<Maglarken> RYOUSHI- 100% correct
<SoloLeaf> you need to be blued alo vince
<Jedi_SirK> Pfff anyone can say that they have a PA and they will "have a PA," but not really...
<Zorak790> they have the biggest variety ive seen
<IwannabeMaraJade> no Leth
<DarthMalignant> BigSteve, I agree that some of them won't make it. They'll implode.
<IwannabeMaraJade> men
<CyborgVexter> She's a man, man!
<LethMan> then your not like me, are you?
<Zorak790> miners, crafters, guards
<Maglarken> PA's that only have crafters will have problems
<LethMan> :P
<DarthMalignant> However, the ones that try to diversify the power base should do so.
<chr0nometer> A few have already imploded
<Raithan> Hopefully all will, but that fact is alot wont. The number one thing that I think will determine a PA's life is player participation and, as always, war. I have been in many guilds, and the only ones that ever last in any game have tournaments, jousting, raids and many other PA events run by players within the PA, not always the leader or leaders
<LethMan> mara is above and beyond
<megaduce84> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<LethMan> w00t!
<BigSteve03> lol, true chr0no
<CyborgVexter> Jump around, *w00000t* jump around *w0000t*
<LordValadon> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
<BigSteve03> I just see alot of the big ones going the way of the NWW
<Leia_4loot> Player Associations should NOT be the basis for game design
<DarthPain> I think any all-wookiee PA is doomed to fail
<LethMan> Mara transcends leth, gen, and vex...with her uber-ness
<BigSteve03> just slowly falling apart, faded glory and all that
<DarthMalignant> NWW? I must have missed that.
<B0XMAN> NWW suxx0rz maxx
<Maddix_DOhm> The way of the NWW?
<DarthMalignant> Mind filling me in?
<LordValadon> lol
<megaduce84> Mara is powerfull again.
<IwannabeMaraJade> no NWW does not suxxor
<BigSteve03> lol
<AmidalaTheDark> i think all rebel PA's are doomed
<chr0nometer> Well, it all started with the birds and the bees....
<B0XMAN> well *i* think it does
<CyborgVexter> Don't forger A.S.S.!
<Blade> DM--not all PA's are about power--they don't need much in materials to survive or thrive.
<Leia_4loot> PA's are fine, game developer should put in tools to assist people to group together, but it should NOT be an excuse for game design
<Niloc> power is not something a PA should go after though and a real reason why so many of us petitioned....stupidly it appears ....to eliminate multi faction PA's.
<DarthMalignant> I agree, Blade.
<megaduce84> Vex,Gem,Leth lets all go into the hut and get drunk.
<Rowmin> hehe
<LordValadon> Arghhhhhhhhhhhhh
<GeminiJedi> hehehhe
<DarthMalignant> The problem is, if you aren't good friends with them, friendships -do- change.
<Herkie> A PA is as only good as it's memebers
<DavidExavior> NWW has had some problems with RL getting in the way
<Havain> hey, its vince
<DarthMalignant> Especially on the Internet.
<Mary> leth you cant drink
<Tuttiak> well, it really depends on how flexible the PA is and the quality of members. Those that focus on one aspect *cough old jedi PAs* drop off if Dev info on that aspect changes
<megaduce84> Nooooooooooooo Mara is better than us now.
<VincentDarkwind> cool
<Ryoushi_Nihan> playing and having fun together in game...making a great gaming experience for everyone should be the #1 goal of every PA
<DarthMalignant> If you base it on mutual interest, however, that rarely changes.
<DisastaMasta> http://www.digitalsmackdown.com/film/tftl33t.html
<LethMan> But i have a 22 year old hot romanian significant other
<chr0nometer> I've got tons more good friends from joining a PA, so its not a bad thing at all.
<DrJoda> this is doing nothing
<Killjoy-X> ***see ya back at the interview***
<LethMan> ...i hope
<Bountytaker> good point tuttiak
<Mary> haha you wish
<VincentDarkwind> thanks quid
<megaduce84> Bring her leth.
<Herkie> Ya I wonder how many jedi PA's were going to see at launch
<LethMan> :P....aye...I do
<Niloc> but playing out of game is fun too....on PA web boards
<Herkie> lol
<BigSteve03> true chr0no, and I think thats the main benifit of PAs right now
<Raithan> I agree with Chrono 100%
<CommanderTarn> serves
<chr0nometer> Yep
<IwannabeMaraJade> aww
<CommanderTarn> exactly
<Mary> hey btw where is Mel? =p
<AvalonKiyet> A PA in my eyes is not black or white, win or fail. It's just a different way to play. It's like asking if deciding ur going to be a smuggler pregame is a good idea or not. It might be, it may not. PA's too are just a playstyle, a way to have fun
<LordValadon> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
<Havain> Boards rock
<chr0nometer> Cuz I get to hang out with cool guys like BigSteve
<Ryoushi_Nihan> the power stuff will kill the group from the inside if that is all that matters
<LordValadon> z z z z z z z z z z z z
<CommanderTarn> yeah
<DarthMalignant> Hey! I'm cool!
<IwannabeMaraJade> wb Row
<DarthMalignant> Not necessarily Ryoushi.
<CommanderTarn> PAs will be the best game dynamic
<LethMan> Is duke even here?
<Jedi_SirK> wb??
<LordValadon> yes they will
<Blade> and thus, the more time you spend with them prior to the game, the better your chance of survival. ;) unless you find out you don't get along heh.
<blur> welcome rom
<Mary> nah =/
<Zorak790> Will all PA's need a website or is there any in game way to ru na PA
<CommanderTarn> but they are GAME dynamics
<Kidross> I'll need to be blue also
<DarthMalignant> It depends how the power base is stratified.
<chr0nometer> I never said that......:p
<B0XMAN> yes you did
<DarthPain> but there is a downside about the "togetherness" of PAs - it's like monogamy - you are almost "cheating" on your PA if you want to group with other non-members - PAs usually restrict who you can be friends with - they're too jealous
<Ryoushi_Nihan> DM which part?
<Maddix_DOhm> Well done on spelling your name Rom..
<Rowmin> My name is wrong... ugh
<CommanderTarn> no point in pretending to do it now
<DarthMalignant> The part about the power stuff.
<Herkie> PA's are about socialization and about being part of a community. Many times it leads to better role playing
<chr0nometer> hehe monogamy
<Havain> lol
<CommanderTarn> you can form a PA with your freinds
<Jedi_SirK> Almost ready to interview yet?
<B0XMAN> :p
<Niloc> if the new games comoing out are any indication communication for PA's in game is gonna vastly improve
<DavidExavior> cheers quid!
<CommanderTarn> but its gone a bit too far
<LethMan> Okay....who's up for a quick game of GB before trivia starts? Eh, eh? Up for a rematch, maddy? :P
<Tuttiak> I'm thinking there will be in game systems to help run your PA Zorak, but the Devs have been tight lipped on the subject
<B0XMAN> theres too many mods
<B0XMAN> kick em all
<Zorak790> ok thx
<Maddix_DOhm> Leth, I'm working :p
<Ryoushi_Nihan> agreed...but if you get a lot of "power minded" people together...unless they divide things very very well...they will end up eating each other
<Blade> Zorak--you do not need a website. But it helps with recruitment and centralization. My guild in UO managed just fine without one.
<CommanderTarn> yeah
<LethMan> ack!...okay...
<DarthMalignant> That's the thing, Ryoushi.
<Zorak790> cuz i have NO knowedge of html lol
<CyborgVexter> ACK! THE DORITOS AD DIDNT LOAD THE 'stop" BUTTON BUT ITS STILL PLAYING! MAKE IT STOP!
<LordValadon> How many PAs are at the chat tonight out of curiosity?
<DarthMalignant> You need a strong leader with a strong vision.
<CommanderTarn> Ryoshi is right
<IwannabeMaraJade> there are only 4 mods, the rest are interviewees
<IwannabeMaraJade> well, 5
<Maglarken> I have to disagree with the comment about PA's being jealous, and that they will restrict your access to people- some PA's like mine don't restrict gameplay like that
<LethMan> I have that rate my ad....and its turning me on
<IwannabeMaraJade> sorry
<roguegirl> Perhpaps if your PA is a good PA they will not be upset if you want to play with other people, as long as you do not do it exsclusively and to a point where you do not contribute to your PA as much as you need to. there are levels at each of these points I would assume.
<IwannabeMaraJade> I forgot about me
<Niloc> I don't think any PA run by one person or two will ever reach its potential
<GeminiJedi> Would you guys join a Trade PA (just like a Trade Fedaration) but based only in trade among members?
<LordValadon> how many PAs are at the chat tonight our of curiosity?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> and an ability to step back when necessary
<B0XMAN> smoooooth mara
<Mary> hmm
<chr0nometer> I wonder how much money the site would lose if it got rid of that doritos ad? Because it would be worth it!
<roguegirl> That is not a fact I am stating, just a hypothesis, an offered idea.
<megaduce84> Im gone people. I am hurt and feal all alone. I need some "me" time. :P
<VincentDarkwind> I agree with Niloc
<DarthMalignant> Doritos.. Doritos.. Doritos.. Doritos..
<Mary> nowadays everyone can be a blue name *miss the old days*
<Jedi_SirK> You can have 6 characters and be in 6 different PA's...IU mean, how will they get jealous?
<IwannabeMaraJade> yes, good point Niloc
<blur> we need to op romwin
<TearForger> A PA that trips over its own members ego's is doomed to fail.
<Raithan> Good point Niloc, hopefully the devs will agree with you and go where no other MMORPG has, multiple ways to handle PA politics
<Kidross> me too
<Havain> GoaWae: just wait a bit ;)
<DarthMalignant> That's why you diversify the power base.
<Herkie> What's the significance of a blue name?
<Jedi_SirK> Very true TearForger...
<DarthPain> Mag, RG - from my personal experience, it wasn't quite that way - I mean, how many of us who were in PAs in MCS had a secret "non-PA" character that we played just to get away from those people?!
<CommanderTarn> Tear forger makes a very good point
<Mary> ego, i like this word
<Blade> I dunno--there's something to be said for "quick decisions". ;)
<LethMan> Superiority
<DarthMalignant> Form a council to make decisions.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> there are really two types of PAs..those that are run by one or two "warlords" and those that eventually are owned by the daily members even though someone else set them up
<CommanderTarn> also PAs that hate all othe rpAs
<Herkie> Ahh
<IwannabeMaraJade> Romwin might have to wait
<CommanderTarn> PAs
<DarthMalignant> And appoint a "leader".
<Maddix_DOhm> DP: I know I did
<CommanderTarn> they will be ganged up on
<DarthPain> see?
<IwannabeMaraJade> Quid stepped out for a few minutes
<DarthMalignant> Who has the authority to make executive decisions when the situation demands.
<GoaWae> Havain, why whats going on?
<roguegirl> DP: point taken, :) I am just offering one idea
<BrentStargazer> Pa's will eventually rule the universe
<DarthPain> they were insulted if you wanted to play with other people
<AvalonKiyet> Ryoushi -- and what if there are leaders yet they comply with the members wishes?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> agreed DM..I think we are talking the same thing from two points of view here :-)
<LethMan> Not bad...ami has typed two lines tonight...new record!
<CommanderTarn> Mara!
<chr0nometer> He went to get more "Quid Sauce". Now at your local grocery mart.
<Maddix_DOhm> DP: I played with RL friends too..
<CommanderTarn> make mara the head
<CyborgVexter> yay@ATD
<Havain> GoaWae: I doubt TCO is gonna be vapor
<CommanderTarn> Mara!
<DarthPain> not all PAs are like that but again - it's the exception to the rule
<CommanderTarn> lol
<roguegirl> There are always exceptions :)
<Maddix_DOhm> Freak Boy, stop spamming
<chr0nometer> Calm down Tarn.
<CommanderTarn> quid sause
<chr0nometer> Don't make me get the tuna
<CommanderTarn> sauce
<Mary> dUd3 c@lM d0wN
<BrentStargazer> quis saunce
<DarthMalignant> For the EQ players, how many of you ever met Greyhawke in game?
<B0XMAN> maddix, stop spamming :p
<Ryoushi_Nihan> be it a person or a small commity there always needs to be some place the buck stops...if jus tto provide direction
<Raithan> Darth, the leaders, hopefully in SWG this will be alowed, elcted leaders that can be changed if the enough of the PA is interested in a change
<TearForger> it really depends on the way the PA develops. A PA that starts before the game has the time to weigh its structure and build professional relationships that will survive ego conflict, a PA that forms after gold will have a harder time because of external forces.
<Herkie> The way I look at it is the more factions there becomes in the game the better PA's we'll see.
<IwannabeMaraJade> ORDER!
<chr0nometer> Quid Sauce: Its whats for dinner!
<chr0nometer> lol
<blur> ahem..
<BrentStargazer> qquid sauce
<chr0nometer> :gavel
<CyborgVexter> Quid Sauce: Now in 57 Modlike Flavors
<Ryoushi_Nihan> but it is a give and take...the members follow the leaders...but the leaders are beholden to the members
<IwannabeMaraJade> I haven't banged the gavel for a long time
<SpiffAntilles> The EQ guilds I've been in don't really have a de jure leader, they have a de facto leader
<CyborgVexter> !gavel
<TearForger> do we have a presentation mode for the interview?
<IwannabeMaraJade> PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC OR REFRAIN FROM COMMENTING
<Mary> lets talk about nerfing babe!
<Blade> I'm not sure what "rule" you refer to DP--unless you mean the few large, high profile uber guilds that try to monopolize attention.
<DisastaMasta> ORDER ORDER IN THE CHAT! ORDER!
<Mary> im good at that
<CommanderTarn> who is not an op
<Raithan> Thanks Ryoushi for that point
<Tuttiak> hehe Spiff...haven't heard those terms in awhile
<LordValadon> MODERATE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
<Mary> save me!
<IwannabeMaraJade> Maddie, check your MSN
<DarthMalignant> THat's why the interest has to be mutual, Ryoushi.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> welcome :-)
<B0XMAN> yea, go ask the Mob to stop selling weapons
<BrentStargazer> Maddies MSN
<CyborgVexter> Leth!Gem! Mega! It's my cat's birthday!
<chr0nometer> Instead of yelling "MODERATE AHHHH" you could help discuss PAs...
<CyborgVexter> bling!
<BrentStargazer> non op ?
<LethMan> w00t!
<Jedi_SirK> wheee
<Herkie> Too bad a mod cant come over to you r homes and beat ya silly
<GeminiJedi> happy bday vex's cat!
<Niloc> its all about freedom of expression though....why join a PA if you aren't going to participate....that is what makes them special is doing not watching...and a PA has that advantage over players.
<B0XMAN> there are no ops but chatdroid in here
<Mary> remember the #1 Galactic Rules - in case of emergency save children, women and rodians first
<DarthPain> Blade - the "rule" is: most PAs are psychophantic clubhouses that add little to the game or the community at large beyond their own doorsteps
<Herkie> I agree Niloc
<BrentStargazer> chatdroid ! w00t !
<LordValadon> CHR0NO -- ITS NO SO EASY WHEN I CANT SEE ANYTHING THATS TYPED CAUSE IT SCROLLS UP AT 100 MPH
<IwannabeMaraJade> Vince we'll op you as soon as Quid returns
<BrentStargazer> I still dont see how PA's are bad
<chr0nometer> No one else seems to be having a problem
<TearForger> DP is correct.
<roguegirl> hi again vincent.
<DarthMalignant> I agree, DarthPain.
<BrentStargazer> ow
<DarthMalignant> That's the sad truth.
<Herkie> What shade of blue/
<Ryoushi_Nihan> but the playstyles themselves do not need to be....for example..we have social, PvP, and PvE people all mixing together...the goal is the same...but the path to it is different
<VincentDarkwind> gotcha mods
<LordValadon> actually people have been yelling to moderate
<AvalonKiyet> chrono . . . i'm having a bit of a problem not too bad
<Kidross> I'll need to be op also
<Zorak790> actually when its gets fast it is very hard to read the important parts
<blur> darthpain: we'll take great pleasure in proving to be the opposite to 'the norm'
<Jedi_SirK> It is actually quite annoyiung to me too however.
<AvalonKiyet> just getting nautious
<Blade> heh that's just plain pessimism on your part. ;)
<AvalonKiyet> seriously
<SpiffAntilles> I disagree that PAs / Guilds are too clubbish... Many form alliances with other guilds, and help the world in general
<Ryoushi_Nihan> agree with you there DP
<LordValadon> Told you CHr0no
<LordValadon> Im not the only one
<DarthMalignant> BRB.
<CyborgVexter> bling
<Maddix_DOhm> As a side note, people can start to send me questions. Its going to be about 10 minutes til we start, but you can get some in early.
<chr0nometer> Well, if more of us stay on topic, thats helping the situation. If we're moderated, you guys can't talk.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> that is why I have avoided PAs after my first little run in with the,
<Niloc> it is ironic though that the social players don't really join a PA in the early stages because they think they are too involved in the mechanics.
<LordValadon> ow u killed me
<DarthMalignant> I'm staying on topic =/
<DarthPain> blur - well, you guys sound like you are trying to be more open to educating people on the game itself - whether or not they ever pledge allegience - that's a good first step
<IwannabeMaraJade> ANNOUNCEMENT: INTERVIEW IS IN 10 MINUTES, IT WILL BE MODERATED. PLEASE START SENDING YOUR QUESTIONS TO MADDIX_DOHM NOW. IF YOUR QUESTION IS DRIECTED TO A SPECIFIC PERSON, PLEASE TYPE THEIR NAME AFTER MADDIX' AND HE WILL REFER THE QUESTION TO THEM.
<Jedi_SirK> Well, if it is moderated, we can msg someone to say it for us.
<B0XMAN> hahaha
<BrentStargazer> Who r we interviewing ?
<Zorak790> what can we ask about?
<GeminiJedi> whats the interview's topic?????
<Ryoushi_Nihan> AFK for a sec
<Mary> bah i have no clue about what to ask
<BigSteve03> dang, I get a phone call, and the topic falls apart
<IwannabeMaraJade> PLEASE DO NOT DIRECTLY ASK THE INTERVIEWEES
<BigSteve03> typical
<chr0nometer> Interviewing TCO
<BrentStargazer> TCO ?
<Mary> gd
<AvalonKiyet> QUESTION: will the interview deal with PA's in general or just TCO?
<TearForger> the point to DP's rule is that enough do to make a stereotype. Productive PA's are not the expected norm. That does not mean ALL PA's are that way just enough to create a PR problem
<Maddix_DOhm> YEAH. IE: /MSG MADDIX blur WHY ARE YOU PURPLE?
<Mary> im going waste you tarn
<GeminiJedi> ok who's TCO?
<BrentStargazer> takes care of ?
<CommanderTarn> try me
<BigSteve03> alright new take on the topic
<chr0nometer> The ....something....something :)
<Mary> care to step outside lets set up this
<LethMan> *-)
<blur> The Crescent Order
<chr0nometer> Yeah
<AvalonKiyet> ty
<Havain> What blur said
<IwannabeMaraJade> we have ten minutes to go on topic section
<BigSteve03> Why would someone prefer to be in a PA, or not in one, when they play the game? What are the benifts/detractants
<IwannabeMaraJade> please stay with it till interview
<CommanderTarn> meet me at http://swgchat.cjb.net/
<Blade> perhaps TF
<CommanderTarn> its a chat
<LordValadon> Maddix I sent u a message
<GeminiJedi> Faster skilling?
<CommanderTarn> well insult sword fight
<OskarTheHutt> hey again
<Mary> ah i cant open another window
<Blade> \I could see it from that angle
<GeminiJedi> Good wars??
<GeminiJedi> Trade???
<Raithan> There are more myths out there... the rule is, most people, PA's/guilds, etc. are good in game and out. The fact of the matter is most PA's do not get together for the good of the game but for the good and the enjoyment of the players involved. Mnay guilds across all the MMORPG's are about leveling, many about making new friends and haveing various activities for strict enjoyment. I would think that very few, beyong helping out new p
<SpiffAntilles> Getting involved helping other players with their goals, and getting help for your own goals in return
<Manatour> well I have to get some sleep...
<GoaWae> What makes TCO so special that there taking questions???
<LordValadon> I dont know
<DarthPain> BS - I prefer to solo, and as an imperial faction member - make new friends everytime I log on with other imp players. I want to "mingle", and a PA might get in the way of that.
<Manatour> night everyone
<LordValadon> frankly I see it as unfair
<Raithan> G'night
<MaraJade12> night
<LethMan> what?
<IwannabeMaraJade> THOSE WHO HAVE + NEXT TO THEIR NAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE BMCC MODS ARE THE INTERVIEWEES
<chr0nometer> No PKing
<LethMan> MJ12, you leavin?!
<chr0nometer> :D
<TearForger> we are the interview of the evening. I suspect other PA's will get this opportunity as well.
<CyborgVexter> sorry chr0no
<DarthMalignant> I view factions as the poor man's PA.
<CyborgVexter> :p
<BrentStargazer> So what do i type ?
<LordValadon> none of the other PAs were given an equal oppurtunity
<LethMan> She's out?!
<chr0nometer> Well, okay you can PK.
<Mary> pay me and i forgive you
<BigSteve03> alright, we know interviews coming, shut up about it and get back on topic :p
<LethMan> ;-(
<LordValadon> Lol Commander
<LethMan> j/k
<CommanderTarn> look
<Blade> Spiff has it--being able to count on others for help makes the game more enkjoyable for many players
<VincentDarkwind> nice crowd tonight by the way
<LethMan> MJ12, i love you :P
<BrentStargazer> What do i type ?
<CommanderTarn> if you shut up you wont get PKd
<BrentStargazer> im confumsed
<DarthMalignant> Agreed, Blade.
<IwannabeMaraJade> interesting name
<SpiffAntilles> People who don't help out are likely to be ignored, or even shunned, when they ask for help.
<DarthMalignant> That's the point of PAs, guilds, whatever you call it.
<chr0nometer> Reminds me of back stabbing
<IwannabeMaraJade> thanks Vince, mostly TCO? :p
<BrentStargazer> No, really, what do i type ?
<Maglarken> lol
<Mary> so where syren?
<BrentStargazer> No ! Its the dorito's commercial !
<CyborgVexter> ah@Leth
<CommanderTarn> it seems to be the same 3 people
<LordValadon> lol
<Mary> i dont speak with members i deal with leaders only
<DarthPain> Blade - that's what I *hope* factions will do - be a place to rely on not just "regualrs" but "n00bs" and total strangers for help
<Zorak790> can i get PKed for the fun og it
<B0XMAN> alright who errored the room?
<DarthMalignant> Another question about PAs is, should they be able to dominate commercially?
<Zorak790> of*
<CommanderTarn> its random
<TearForger> i hope that occurs as well blade.
<Tuttiak> Depends on what you mean by help Spiff...if a player can't "help" that's no reason for a PA to shun them, but if that player doesn't attempt to participate in the game, why join the PA at all?
<CommanderTarn> try to speak after i announce it
<Zorak790> i don't think they will be able too
<OskarTheHutt> damn that doritos commercial straight to hell
<Raithan> Dominate what exactly?
<Blade> DP--that's where *my* pessimism comes in. :) But I share your hope nevertheless.
<SpiffAntilles> Relying on total strangers for help... well, I guess that's a way to make friends. It's also very risky
<Zorak790> if a PA gets to dominat in an industy i thiknk other players will fight back
<DarthMalignant> Raithan, the markets.
<MaraJade12> rofl
<GoaWae> You guys at TCO seem pretty disorganized not to have a web site set up, even porn stars have there own web site set up
<CommanderTarn> Zorak is right
<Maglarken> PA's will definately have an advantage when it comes to commercial goods, resources and components
<LordValadon> They have a site
<chr0nometer> lol@leth
<DarthPain> (as long as declaring is made more than a PvP switch - allow non-PvPers to declare, too! stop faction-whoring!)
<DarthMalignant> And by doing so, will they be able to carve out their own empire?
<chr0nometer> Waru r0xx0rs j00
<LethMan> Great, great book...one of my favs....just goes to show who should NOT write sci fi.
<Zorak790> porn stars rule
<LordValadon> but its Covert for no apparent reason
<Raithan> Thanks for the update Darth.
<Havain> GoaWae: Who said TCO doesn't have a site?
<Blade> heheh
<GoaWae> Well, id like to see the link if they have it
<AvalonKiyet> what is the TCO site?
<LordValadon> they made it covert for no apparent reason
<Havain> I don't know
<LordValadon> they are releasing it tonight I heard
<AvalonKiyet> lol
<VincentDarkwind> lol..
<blur> patience my friends
<TearForger> patience,
<DarthMalignant> For example, by dominating the markets, they become rich. THey use this money to hire an army and mercenaries.
<AvalonKiyet> nonblue
<chr0nometer> If you build it, they will come
<Mary> its racism against rodians i tell you
<VincentDarkwind> Tarn thats not very nice..heh
<LordValadon> lol... why does a PA stay cover for one year, absurd in my eyes
<DarthPain> catchy, ain't it? :)
<B0XMAN> i 0\/\//\/Z j00 all if this is LEGO trivia
<LordValadon> covert*
<DarthMalignant> From there, they declare war on other commercial PAs, and destroy their factories.
<Jedi_SirK> Is TCO an Empire- only PA?
<CommanderTarn> i kno
<Blade> :)
<LordValadon> TCO is rebel
<CommanderTarn> im trying to get people to speak less
<Niloc> Patients? where is Doc when we need him
<Zorak790> yeah darth that is a real possibility
<VincentDarkwind> very much so
<BrentStargazer> Doc ?
<jeromeblack> Yup, we're fervent supporters of the Emperor...
<CommanderTarn> i randomly kill people who speak
<Tuttiak> hehe
<B0XMAN> TCO is thin and crispy
<LordValadon> and Vincent refuses to talk to me
<Herkie> Vincent needs to commit seppuku
<VincentDarkwind> Doc is actually around Niloc
<BrentStargazer> bling
<DarthMalignant> At this point, they've reached the point at which they can lower prices to the point that no one else can sell them.
<Raithan> Good question, but is there anyway to stop that from happening, and if it was you would you want someone to stop it
<BrentStargazer> drat
<Mary> a pa that wont allow rodians is d00med
<chr0nometer> bling
<Zorak790> unless a rival PA challenges them and they destroy each other, but you can't count on that
<LordValadon> Vincent why do you hate me
<blur> LordValadon, if you were in TCO you'd know why that strategy has been so successful for us :)
<DrJoda> kill me i want to feel special
<DrJoda> pk me
<Ryoushi_Nihan> PAs will have an advantage in supply and demand.....basically any group of people will have it though...just PAs are large enough
<DrJoda> please
<BrentStargazer> bling bling bling bling bling
<LordValadon> Ok, whatever blur
<SpiffAntilles> Might be very easy to keep a PA from dominating / manipulating markets-- hardcoded additional resource seeding if one organization controls all of the resource
<CommanderTarn> wow
<BrentStargazer> ok, im done
<CommanderTarn> your lucky
<TearForger> vince is very buzy valadon we will gladly talk to you after this is over
<OskarTheHutt> ALF IS THE COOLEST
<DarthPain> off-topic: I predict rodians will be more popular than mon cals
<Jedi_SirK> Blur: Are you guys an Imperial only PA?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> However I hope that the mechanics force PAs to not be self-sufficient
<LethMan> I like my body...heh....I love my body......... 8-|
<Herkie> Uhhhhh this is the problem with chats
<jeromeblack> REBEL PA
<BrentStargazer> Everyone, group PK Tarn !
<Zorak790> they are rebel i belive
<LordValadon> ok, because I think he hates me for a misunderstanding
<OskarTheHutt> I AM GOING TO JOIN AN ALF PA
<chr0nometer> Rodians have vaccuum snoots
<DarthMalignant> But Spiff, if PA Alpha manages to dominate the markets, they can ride out any competition by lowering the prices.
<VincentDarkwind> no I dont valadon
<IwannabeMaraJade> PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC
<Mary> now now
<DarthMalignant> When the competition is gone, they raise them again.
<LordValadon> ok
<LordValadon> lol
<Zorak790> imn trying mara
<VincentDarkwind> just busy..hehe
<LordValadon> thought u did
<B0XMAN> hahaha
<Ryoushi_Nihan> that they force all groups to be part of the community
<Herkie> Pk Darth Malignant
<LethMan> Tonights topic...Sealab quotes!
<Zorak790> can't follow the on topic posts.....
<DrJoda> bla
<B0XMAN> why am i hearing my name every 5 seconds?
<LordValadon> well remember when I dissed you in Email cause I thought u were syren who was mad at me
<jeromeblack> Actually, we're an Imperial Rebel Hutt p.a
<Zorak790> i love ditka
<Mary> its to smell the prey better
<blur> LordValadon: It's more than , "OK, whatever..." it's something that has genuinely worked for us... while, meanwhile, other PAs have been trying to get online ASAP... and making mistakes in the process, among other fumbles.
<BrentStargazer> Boxman
<Herkie> Its all unintelligent
<LordValadon> and I was mad at him
<IwannabeMaraJade> ORDER!
<Niloc> don't worry Lord ..he doesn't
<DrJoda> coolness
<LethMan> Oohh...
<IwannabeMaraJade> WE WILL HAVE ORDER
<chr0nometer> Infidels? Don't get all Vong on us Mara :)
<LordValadon> ok blur, whatever
<Zorak790> ditka rules
<LethMan> She banged the gavel...
<LethMan> :P
<B0XMAN> OR WE WILL HAVE DEATH
<Raithan> Now the commander has to PK himself for that comment
<LethMan> j/k
<Zorak790> (wants ot get pked)
<LordValadon> OK WHATEVER BLUR
<AvalonKiyet> lol
<AvalonKiyet> leave him alone val
<LordValadon> lol
<IwannabeMaraJade> I need kicking power
<IwannabeMaraJade> I really do
<Ryoushi_Nihan> you have the floor IWMJ
<LordValadon> im not doin anything wrong
<blur> I agree
<Mary> ohh
<BrentStargazer> Boxman
<DarthMalignant> I mean, there's the possibility of a PA completely dominating the markets.
<Mary> kick me babe!
<BigSteve03> yes, The mods need to have kicking power back
<B0XMAN> wha brent
<LordValadon> lets do interview
<Zorak790> ditka rules al
<BigSteve03> this is rediculus
<BrentStargazer> :p
<chr0nometer> Kinky
<DarthMalignant> If they have sufficient members and financial resources.
<BigSteve03> I get a phone call and you people can't stay on topic without me
<Zorak790> nyah nyah nyah
<BrentStargazer> sigh, if we get too many PA's will they overrun the Rebel and Imperial factions ?
<B0XMAN> WE COULD STAY ON TOPIC WITH YOU STEVE
<CommanderTarn> and i mean the mod blue
<SpiffAntilles> The possibility of any PA dominating markets depends greatly on how the resources are coded.
<DarthPain> Brent - no
<DarthMalignant> Brent, I doubt they will overrun the Imperial factions.
<Niloc> what is too many Brent?
<TearForger> For a PA to dooominate the markets they would need to be huge and very organized. NOVA might go for that, but not many are really going to try. The competition will not allow it unless the PA is reallly really huge
<IwannabeMaraJade> hmm, I don' t think so
<BrentStargazer> Im just trying to stay on topic
<DarthPain> if they're neutral PAs, they're basically impotent
<DukeSkyMopper> wow, i didn't even know the bi-monthly chat was goin on, and im here! cool!
<Zorak790> if PA's can dominate mining points there could be a lot of problems
<Jedi_SirK> What is the TCO Website??
<DarthMalignant> That's why I want to see the Empire stepping in.
<chr0nometer> Not if you brought waffles
<BrentStargazer> Its the dratted DOrito's commercial again
<Raithan> Yeah I can see that happening. I can't think of anyway to stop it though. I would guess that it would be a difficult thing to do
<jeromeblack> That shall be revealed, Jedi Sirk.
<SpiffAntilles> Will human nature allow PAs to get huge without splitting off into disgruntled spin-off PAs?
<GoaWae> HEY, BLUR JUST SENT ME A PRIV WITH THE TCO WEBSITE, ITS WWW.GOATSE.CX
<chr0nometer> Tarn....
<roguegirl> i want some doritos..now.
<CommanderTarn> k
<DarthMalignant> Depends how much mutual interest they see, Spiff.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> it will be announced later (the web site)
<LethMan> ::goa is booted::
<IwannabeMaraJade> ladies and gentleplums
<DarthPain> Spiff - no, it never happens - giant PAs almost always split
<Mary> hehe
<DarthMalignant> If I'm making thousands of credits a day in my giant PA, why would I want to leave?
<Zorak790> i hate poeple who hate ditka
<Mary> its a pr0n link!
<Raithan> Good point Spiff, human nature is a big deterent
<LordValadon> EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
<LethMan> Okay...let's stick to SWG...new topic: Outcasting and or The relationships between the Hutt/Rebel/Imp factions.
<LordValadon> DONT DO TO THE LINK
<BrentStargazer> PA's i dont think, will get too huge without succumbing to violent riots and such and grabs for power
<LordValadon> ITS SICK
<OskarTheHutt> I HAVE A QUESTION
<LordValadon> COMMANDER WHY MUST U KILL ME
<chr0nometer> You actually clicked on it?
<OskarTheHutt> WHAT IS OUTCASTING?
<chr0nometer> :)
<OskarTheHutt> EVERYONE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT
<DarthMalignant> IWBMJ, is it time to shut up?
<LethMan> Peep Delta?
<OskarTheHutt> ohh:(
<blur> OK, I think we should be strating the chat
<chr0nometer> Tarn, knock it off
<Niloc> well the economy is another topic and an important one but if PA's are built to be economic devices they are merely grief tools
<OskarTheHutt> I just wanna know what outcasting is
<Zorak790> OH MY GOD MY EYES
<BrentStargazer> Please, moderate everyone so we can get back on track
<IwannabeMaraJade> GoaWae, I'm gonna tell Quid on you.... *shakes her finger*
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Time to interview?
<Zorak790> I LOOKED AT THAT PICTUREE
<Jedi_SirK> MODERATION TIME!
<OskarTheHutt> MODERATE
<Mary> Look sir, newbies!
<B0XMAN> we been flyin allllll over this *****
<Zorak790> I CAN"T SEE
<LethMan> Look sir, n00bs!
<chr0nometer> He'll use his Quid Sauce on you
<IwannabeMaraJade> I cannot moderate anything without Quid
<Mary> >_<
<Zorak790> can i throw up now?
<Blade> *shudder*
<LordValadon> that is the sickest pic I have ever seen
<Jedi_SirK> ARGH.
<DarthPain> o_O
<B0XMAN> hahahhaha
<BrentStargazer> -_-; A mod with no mod power except blue text
<Mary> tsc
<B0XMAN> they are VOICED not MODDED
<LordValadon> ok lets do interview now
<LordValadon> AHHHHHHHHHHHH
<SpiffAntilles> Wow, the scroll rate really slows down if you ignore certain people.
<Zorak790> i seriously feel sick mow
<LethMan> Oohh..We need SC's uber-geek powers to make those uber- Win2k korean faces
<GoaWae> Why are you going to tell one me, blur sent me the link
<B0XMAN> they have NO MOD POWER
<Raithan> Getting flashbacks of MSN Zone
<LordValadon> COMMANDER WHY MUST YOU TORMENT ME
<Zorak790> who posted that pic again
<GoaWae> i didnt even go to it, what is it
<DarthMalignant> May I request we all just stop talking? Merci.
<VincentDarkwind> thanks quid
<Zorak790> he msut die a slow painful death with nerve bore worms
<OskarTheHutt> QUIET
<Kidross> Quid I need to be blue also
<LordValadon> shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
<OskarTheHutt> ITS NOT A GAME AND WE'RE NOT PLAYERS SO U CAN'T PLAYER KILL US!
<TearForger> kidross should be blue
<chr0nometer> heh
<BrentStargazer> Quid, plz use your supreme mod powers to pk CommanderTarn permanently
<Zorak790> oh yes he can oskar
<Ryoushi_Nihan> as should tuttiak
<IwannabeMaraJade> thank you
<chr0nometer> TARN knock it off!
<DarthMalignant> Thank you, Quid.
<Zorak790> never underestimate his powers
<CommanderTarn> alright
<CommanderTarn> im trying to Pk rowdy people
<BigSteve03> just an example why the BMCC mods need kicking power Quid
<chr0nometer> To borrow a line from Mara: flippin' trippin' zippin!
<LethMan> Alz!
<DarthMalignant> Heh. I'd have to agree.
<BrentStargazer> You'll end up pking teh enitre chat
<DarthMalignant> THis is somewhat ridiculous.
<roguegirl> :)
<IwannabeMaraJade> thanks chrono
<CommanderTarn> agreed
<LordValadon> INTERVIEW NOW
<B0XMAN> m0ds knock it off! :p
<LordValadon> c'mon
<IwannabeMaraJade> WELCOME PEOPLE
<CommanderTarn> brent
<BigNosedJo> hello everyone
<BrentStargazer> Wgo is being interviewed ?
<CommanderTarn> your right
<Mary> dont kick me, any aggresion towards me it will be considered an offense to Rodian Empire
<Kidross> thanks


Interview:

<IwannabeMaraJade> INTERVIEW WILL START MOMENTARILY
<CommanderTarn> lol
<BigNosedJo> neat
<Raithan> Hiya BigNosed
<LordValadon> good
<LordValadon> damn straight
<CommanderTarn> Lets gooooooo....
<LordValadon> lol
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Thanks IWMJ
<Armatura> it didnt start yet? i just got here thinking this was over?
<LordValadon> Moderate
<BigNosedJo> i raith
<B0XMAN> like the interview will be any better than this
<Maddix_DOhm> eep
<BrentStargazer> lol
<IwannabeMaraJade> IF YOU CHOOSE TO TALK, YOU NEED TO SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES
<CommanderTarn> INTERVIEW
<Erithil> I'm not sure how to get into the PA chat...
<CommanderTarn> INTERVIEW
<Maddix_DOhm> ok, got the Questions down...
<LordValadon> i sent questions to Massix
<LordValadon> Addix
<LordValadon> Maddix
<DarthPain> Ry - IWMJ? Don't you mean IW_B_MJ?
<LordValadon> lol
<IwannabeMaraJade> MADDIX_DOHM WILL BE TAKING YOUR QUESTION IF YOU HAVE THEM
<RagE> arg
<Zorak790> this unfortuneatly is the PA chat...
<RagE> way to much typing
<BrentStargazer> So, we all pm maddix with q's ?
<LordValadon> Moderation time, w00t
<DukeSkyMopper> qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq
<LordValadon> ya
<Ryoushi_Nihan> yes..but spaces I'm lazy...hehe
<chr0nometer> qoq?
<CommanderTarn> so everyone will shut up
<DarthPain> lol
<BigSteve03> Tarn and FM, watch yourselves, we've already had one person kicked
<IwannabeMaraJade> ONLY THOSE IN BLUE WILL BE ABLE TO TALK FREELY
<B0XMAN> ???
<IwannabeMaraJade> THANK YOU
<Erithil> How do I get blue?
<B0XMAN> whats all this about ME?
<B0XMAN> jeez
<DukeSkyMopper> goas back!
<CyborgVexter> b0xass
<CommanderTarn> me too
<chr0nometer> lol
<AvalonKiyet> lol
<CommanderTarn> but i dont brag about it
<CyborgVexter> the second biggest state
<LordValadon> LETS GO
<GoaWae> WTF, blur why did you send me bannable links BLUR?????
<IwannabeMaraJade> MODERATION WILL COMMENCE NOW
<B0XMAN> i cant say a thing without everyone blaming me for something
<LordValadon> w00t
<Mary> hmrf this is favouritism
<Raithan> You have to be able to control this crowd if you want to be blue Erithil, not an easy thing to do
<CommanderTarn> MODERATION
<LordValadon> w00t
<CyborgVexter> moderatory
<LordValadon> w00t
<Havain> is it possible to ban goawae?
<LordValadon> lets go
<SpiffAntilles> So are these "pre-game PAs" actually supported by any code (are they in Alpha or Beta) or are they just web-based life forms?
<Havain> thanks
<CyborgVexter> Goawae got perma banned?!
<Zorak790> web bases
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Tuttiak needs to be added as blue..he is our resource leader
<CommanderTarn> just be quit people
<Zorak790> based*
<CommanderTarn> quiet
<LordValadon> moderate pleeeeeeeeeeeeease
<CommanderTarn> please
<IwannabeMaraJade> now hush you two
<CommanderTarn> and mods...just start
<B0XMAN> ???
<IwannabeMaraJade> okay
<B0XMAN> i dont get this at alll
<LordValadon> w00t
<CommanderTarn> mara
<Quid> The channel has now been moderated
<IwannabeMaraJade> take it away Maddix
<Maddix_DOhm> Ok, well, welcome to the Interview portion of the chat
<Maddix_DOhm> Today's victims are the TCO
<Maddix_DOhm> a recently public Rebel Roleplaying PA.
<blur> (which has existed for 12+ months) ;-)
<Maddix_DOhm> Say hello TCO
<Kidross> Hello
<Niloc> hello
<Ryoushi_Nihan> hey guys..welcome to all
<TearForger> hola
<IwannabeMaraJade> Hi Mal, we are moderated
<blur> guten arbend
<chr0nometer> HI TCO! I'm your number one fan!
<Maddix_DOhm> Now, I'll let each member tell us a little about them and their position within the TCO
<VincentDarkwind> me first?
<Maddix_DOhm> Why not ;)
<VincentDarkwind> hehe.
<VincentDarkwind> Im the co-founder of this order, which was founded back in Feb 2001...also one of the five councillors that are charged with administrating this massive operation
<blur> Meanwhile, I'm one of TCOs council members, which means I play a role in running the overall direction of the group. I also handle the bulk of TCO recruiting as well. So if anyone has any recruiting questions, let me answer them :-)
<Kidross> My name is Kidross, I'm the founding councilor responsible for Role playing. Which means I try and make it fun to be a member of TCO
<Niloc> I am also one of the five councillors and I am in charge of the tier 3 management operations
<Ryoushi_Nihan> I am was member number 12 back in March of 2001..I am Division Leader of the Covert Division
<Rowmin> My Name is Romwin Grim. I am the other co-founder of our PA... I am charged with the website and one of the 5 councilors for leading this order
<TearForger> I am the Division Leader of TCO's military Division. Its my job to bring it all together for the fighting types.
<Tuttiak> I guess that would leave me in getting our artisans and resourcers on the same page in dealing with SWG crafting and non-combat systems
<Maddix_DOhm> That everyone? ;-)
<Niloc> yep
<Tuttiak> believe so Maddix
<Maddix_DOhm> Well then, time for the first question :-D
<TearForger> thats speaking we have some ringers in the crowd
<Maddix_DOhm> Bountytaker: What are your SHORT term goals?
<VincentDarkwind> hehe..Ill go ahead and take this one
<VincentDarkwind> To start building play relationships by roleplaying and learning about our characters to the fullest extent. Also, to develop a structure than enables the group to work together and establish professional relationships within the community. Finishing the site would also classify as one of these....
<chr0nometer> To those just joining, we are conduction an interview with a PA, The Crecent Order.
<VincentDarkwind> none takes priority over establishing a roleplaying presence...and establishing a bond between our members
<Ryoushi_Nihan> welcome
<Maddix_DOhm> DarthMalignant: What kind of ramifications do you think will be had by the players how roleplay the Empire as simply being the lawful government?
<Niloc> and of course to have FUN
<Maddix_DOhm> darn enter key ><
<TearForger> Ill take this one give me a sec
<DavidExavior> hmm...I wonder if they know I'm here at all?...
<VincentDarkwind> yes..that too..
<Niloc> TF gathers his military group together and hunkers down to handle a tough one
<Tuttiak> I would hope the ramification would be some excellent story opportunities as well as fun game play between us and those roleplaying the Empire...hehe sorry TearForger
<TearForger> THe ramifications of an empire group playing with that pov is interesting to say the least. From the pov of TCO we are on separate sides of a war. Good/evil may/may not impact how the engagement is fought or if there even is one.
<Maddix_DOhm> Bountytaker: What announced planet would you like the TCO HQ to be on? If it could be ANY SW planet, what would it be?
<TearForger> To some extent that Pov is one that rebels should expect as the movies do not clearly present the galactic public pov.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> want covert to take that first part? hehe
<blur> lol
<DavidExavior> TO ALL: private messages are still possible with the "/msg" command
<VincentDarkwind> Well, we're still undecided as to what specific planet we're gonna use. We've narrowed it down to Naboo and Corellia thus far, for some reasons we cannot say in public.
<VincentDarkwind> We're concern with resources, degree of Imperial threat, convenience, etc.
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Of course...if they announce a planet that fits our needs better, we may go there instead
<VincentDarkwind> all will play a factor in our decision..and much more
<TearForger> neighbors
<Niloc> in the end though its up to the members to decide and being rebel we have to be careful
<Ryoushi_Nihan> there are obvious details that need to be balanced when you select a place to build a base/city
<Maddix_DOhm> Quemine: How will you deal with non-RP PA's?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Kid?
<IwannabeMaraJade> oops
<IwannabeMaraJade> LOL
<chr0nometer> ?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> that's you I think
<VincentDarkwind> Niloc is TCo's conscience if any want to know..lol..we love this guy
<Niloc> how will they deal with us?
<Ryoushi_Nihan> we will RP as best we can...obviously there is no way to force others to do so..all you can do is encourage it through your own actions
<Tuttiak> I would suspect it to be different in each situation...we are not going to force RP on anyone including our members, but we will try to encourage it as much as possible
<Kidross> Well, we hope to RP when ever possible if other don't feel that way that can't be helped
<TearForger> I expect that will be on a case by case basis. We cartainly are not going to exlude them from our gameplay.
<blur> I think if you roleplay well, you may actually encourage non-RPers to try it and really get into it.
<Maddix_DOhm> IMaglarken: Don't you believe that PA's would be better off if the DEV's held a chat focusing on that aspect of the game? Wouldn't it help PA's to integrate into the game/continuity better?
<Kidross> But thats not to say we can't role play with out them.
<Niloc> a fellow TCO member chimes in and adds I think the whole idea of leading by example is about all we can hope for
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Absolutely
<Niloc> well this is my soapbox topic actually
<blur> The more information we can have on PAs, the better.
<TearForger> we would love a dev chat dedicated to PA functions.
<Tuttiak> good thoughts...IMaglarken while a Dev chat would be great on the subject, even threads and topics would be greatly appreciated. That's something we and others like Mofo-Dawg have been pushing.
<Kidross> I'm sure all PAs are longing for info, just as we are
<Niloc> I think that PA's are the wave of the online gaming community such that PA's will provide a better base of knowledge from which the devs can operate
<Ryoushi_Nihan> Mofo has had a thread on PA info up for a while..and not a dev has peeked in yet
<Maddix_DOhm> Zorak790: The TCO is Rebel aligned, but will it accept "Shady" characters like Bounty Hunters and Smugglers?
<Niloc> we are an untapped content market for the devs
<Tuttiak> of course...they took in Han didn't they? hehe
<VincentDarkwind> We will accept bounty hunters and smugglers always..but they need to understand that we are rebel extremists, and plan to be in every way..We'd like them to feel comfortable in our PA, but wed also like them to clearly be defined as rebels if at all possible
<Ryoushi_Nihan> :-D the rebels take anyone who will dedicate themselves to the overall cause
<Maddix_DOhm> AngryAngryHippo: How will your recruiting policy function? Will all be welcome, as long as they fit the right profile(Rebel). If so, how will you maintain the high quality of the PA?
<TearForger> our structure is inclusive not exclusive
<Ryoushi_Nihan> we should add that we have not decided as to how to address the Faction PvP switch and the safety of our non-PvP members or spies yet
<blur> To date, our policy has been quite selective. We've only acceed people who have thought-out their characters and have some background story to tell. In this manner, we have instantly created a group of people who like to think - and write - about their characters. And, I admit, this has been easier while we were a non-public group. Now, hoeever, there is certainly a challenge to keep that quality as we accept more & more 'public' members.
<Niloc> we encourage participation and imagination I think and if people have those two assets then they will be welcome
<blur> How will we do this? I think we'll encourage people to demonstrate their imagination - and to see ours - before they 'sign on the dotted line'
<blur> It won't be fun for us - and it won't be fun for members - if they aren't 'down' with the way we are approaching SWG.
<Maddix_DOhm> Bountytaker: To any crafter. Are you worried about declaring for the Rebellion, as a crafter? What do you feel about your role in TCO?
<VincentDarkwind> go ahead tutt....
<IwannabeMaraJade> 5 more minutes for interview
<Tuttiak> Well, that is something that we would like a little more info on from the Devs. We would like for our crafters to be declared, but at the same time, it might not be something that is fruitfull. I'm hoping the PvP system and crafting systems give us some room to explore these options
<Maddix_DOhm> Killjoy-X: What's more important to the PA: IN-game or OUT-of-game goals?
<Niloc> hehe tough question here.....and a topic we are discussing all the time
<IwannabeMaraJade> Extension. 10 more minutes to trivia
<TearForger> THere is a delicate balance between ic and ooc, we dont want to override anyones goals with either. THe priority of TCO is meeting the players individual goals, PA goals come second.
<VincentDarkwind> Out of game goals are important, but we havent waited over a year for this game to focus the majority on out of game goals. We want to focus the majority of our effort in game.. H